Draft / FA / Offseason Roster Moves (Merged)

**bmorecareful** · 01-05-2013, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenalytics

Really? I think we'd go with Eric Reid over Elam.

From what I've seen of Reid he's really struggled this year without elite talent around him especially in coverage. He was very good in 2011 but he needed to show he was a lockdown coverage player without Claiborne, Mathieu and Taylor and he didn't do that this year.

IMO Elam and Vaccaro are tied for top safeties in the class. I'd be happy with either of them, but the consensus seems to be Vaccaro is going to go in the top 20.

Originally Posted by runrayrun27

If our first pick isn't on an ILB or Interior DL I'm gunna be upset. Reed leaving should definitely be addressed, but I'm not blown away by Elam or Reid and I think they are the only two that will be there and are potential value

I just don't see the positional value for ILB or interior DL at that spot. I did the mock by listing the players in each round I felt had the best chance to be both the BPA and a good fit. There's no BPA DL or ILB at #25 overall.

**runrayrun27** · 01-05-2013, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

I just don't see the positional value for ILB or interior DL at that spot. I did the mock by listing the players in each round I felt had the best chance to be both the BPA and a good fit. There's no BPA DL or ILB at #25 overall.

Was Jenkins gone? I'm big on him for this team. Him beside Ngata makes sense to me

**JustaslowZ06** · 01-05-2013, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Why do people assume that the Chiefs are just going to let guys like Albert and Bowe leave?

If anything Reid being there would make staying home a LOT more attractive to Bowe and I can't imagine Reid would want to just let his only proven WR leave...especially considering how much he relies on the pass.

Because Bowe isn't exactly a TD machine. Isn't that burner guy and just doesn't fit what I think of as Reid's system. They have the cap room, I really see them making a run at a Mike Wallace since Pitts isn't gonna have much money to sign him.

Just my .02 of course

What their gonna do in the draft beats me, I'm guessing they skip on the wanna be QB's coming out and go D, even though they have a ton of talent over on that side. And I bet Andy tries to lure Kolb in, or maybe evn going and picking up Jason Campbell whom he's familiar with because of playing him twice a year. But putting money into Bowe over Wallace, for Andy's sytem mind you, doesn't make sense. Add in Kolb or Campbell along with that rushing attack, a piece or 2 on the OL and their gonna be really good really quick.

**JustaslowZ06** · 01-05-2013, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

5. (compensatory) Meshak Williams, DE/OLB, Kansas State - Another underrated prospect, Williams was a JUCO transfer to Kansas State in 2011 and played only as a nickel/pass rush specialist in his junior year. This year, he grabbed hold of the RDE spot and wreaked havoc on offensive tackles all year long. He's still raw, but has the potential to stand out as a nickel pass rusher and special-teams contributor.

Would appreciate any feedback.

Lol, I JUST asked about this kid. he looked really good in the Fiesta owl against oregon and dealing with their QB and fast moving offense. Def a good project tweener that maybe could fill the void left by Kruger. From what I read he has a high football IQ just isn't very good in coverage and space, but incredibly smart to read run vs pass, soooooo in a 3rd and long he'd recognize maybe a screen instead of a pass and so on. Seems like a very good 3rd down LB to me.

**LouisianaRaven** · 01-05-2013, 03:03 PM

A lot of LSU fans say Reid has had a bad year but I don't agree. He has looked bad when he's been put in man to man coverage. There aren't many safeties that can cover Wrs tho. Elam is the real deal tho, he's really instinctive. Either way I think both guys are more Goldson than Eric Berry.

**The Excellector** · 01-05-2013, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

This is too simplistic of a picture. Cody can't play--as in, at all. His technique is among the worst I've ever seen on the defensive line and he totally lacks functional strength. As an interior lineman, you do at least one of two things every down (preferably both): anchor, and penetrate. Cody doesn't have the strength to anchor or the speed to penetrate. At this point, he has to be presumed a bust. If he can come back next year and play well, then let him prove it, but he absolutely can't be relied on and the team needs to upgrade. Apart from that I do agree that we have enough young talent at interior DL to work with.

Suggs is probably never going to play at a Pro Bowl level again. He played well in his first game back against the Texans, but apart from that he's been mostly average. He'll be 31 this year and he's one of the oldest 31 year olds in the NFL as he's already a 10 year vet with several serious injuries. Does he even have 3 years left in the NFL? We need to begin looking for a replacement at rush DE/OLB.

Those are just a couple of serious concerns you seem to be overlooking. You're also assuming we'll have guys like Ellerbe and Ihedigbo back... but those 2 are both free agents and the team is cash-strapped. Failing to retain Ellerbe would be catastrophic, but it absolutely could happen especially if a long-term deal can't be reached with Flacco. Ihedigbo is a nice 3rd safety/dime package/special teams player but as I said he's a FA anyway and even if he's retained they need to add someone at FS. Christian Thompson is a total unknown and not a lock to even make the team next year.

This team has more needs than people realize particularly on the defensive side of the ball.

Terrance Cody is only in his third year and this is only his second year with significant playing time. If you look at how far he had to come, from a physical standpoint, I believe he has more room to grow. He had to improve physically. He has really done that. Now, he needs to work on his technique. That takes time. Time that us Ravens fans don't like to give, because we've never really had to give it before. At least, not since the late 90's.

Ihedibo would do just fine as a replacement to Ed Reed. Rather than relying on him to make the sort of plays that Reed made, you would simply expect him to play the position, more along the way it was meant to be played, without the risk taking that Reed did.

Dannell Ellerbe will not be difficult to re-sign, because his position has been devalued over the years. There were about a half dozen quality ILBs sitting on the market for weeks, this past off-season.

Even though Suggs' tear was only a partial, it would be difficult to expect more than what you have from Suggs this year. He just needs to get healthy. I agree that they need to think about life after him, but that would only be depth for now. Which is all I said they needed to begin with. Every team could use more depth, seemingly, every off-season.

I don't see how you would expect them to add another FS, who wouldn't need time to develop, if you are already concerned about their salary cap situation. You draft guys to develop them. Let Ihedibo hold it down for a year. I think he's earned the opportunity to compete for that spot. Meanwhile, develop Christian Thompson.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 01-05-2013, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

Because Bowe isn't exactly a TD machine. Isn't that burner guy and just doesn't fit what I think of as Reid's system. They have the cap room, I really see them making a run at a Mike Wallace since Pitts isn't gonna have much money to sign him.

Just my .02 of course

What their gonna do in the draft beats me, I'm guessing they skip on the wanna be QB's coming out and go D, even though they have a ton of talent over on that side. And I bet Andy tries to lure Kolb in, or maybe evn going and picking up Jason Campbell whom he's familiar with because of playing him twice a year. But putting money into Bowe over Wallace, for Andy's sytem mind you, doesn't make sense. Add in Kolb or Campbell along with that rushing attack, a piece or 2 on the OL and their gonna be really good really quick.

Reid runs a WCO and Bowe is exactly what you need in a WCO...a big guy who can run after the catch.

No way are they just letting him walk.

And with their cap room, they could re-sign him and sign Wallace.

**wickedsolo** · 01-05-2013, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Reid runs a WCO and Bowe is exactly what you need in a WCO...a big guy who can run after the catch.

No way are they just letting him walk.

And with their cap room, they could re-sign him and sign Wallace.

Which they very well may do.

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**The Excellector** · 01-05-2013, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Which they very well may do.

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Cassell needs all of the help he can get.

**Sirdowski** · 01-05-2013, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

Cassell needs all of the help he can get.

Honestly, they could bring in Calvin Johnson and it wouldn't help him. Cassell is just too timid to be an NFL QB.

**ClemsonRaven** · 01-06-2013, 09:22 AM

I am certainly a homer, but looking at what we need and most people thinking we take a wr early. I would love nothing more to see Nuk Hopkins as a Raven, but would settle for Sammy Watkins next year if we could find a free agent to come in for a year or two.

**Mizerooskie** · 01-06-2013, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by ClemsonRaven

I am certainly a homer, but looking at what we need and most people thinking we take a wr early. I would love nothing more to see Nuk Hopkins as a Raven, but would settle for Sammy Watkins next year if we could find a free agent to come in for a year or two.

Clemson grad?

**leachisabeast** · 01-06-2013, 05:15 PM

We're not taking receivers at the back end of the first round, you just never get value there. OT, S, or ILB are locks for our first pick of the draft IMO, unless Ozzie really likes Barrett Jones which is possible.

**Mizerooskie** · 01-06-2013, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

We're not taking receivers at the back end of the first round, you just never get value there. OT, S, or ILB are locks for our first pick of the draft IMO, unless Ozzie really likes Barrett Jones which is possible.

DeMaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant, Percy Harvin, Hakeem Nicks, Dwayne Bowe, Roddy White, and others indicate otherwise.

Take the BPA that's not a QB or RB.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 01-06-2013, 09:24 PM

Who woulda thunk...it really looks like "byebye Paul Kruger" for 2013.
We just won't have the bankroll.

**leachisabeast** · 01-07-2013, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Mizerooskie

DeMaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant, Percy Harvin, Hakeem Nicks, Dwayne Bowe, Roddy White, and others indicate otherwise.

Take the BPA that's not a QB or RB.

DeMarius Thomas went 22nd overall, and he isn't that great, he just as Peyton Manning throwing him the ball.

Dwayne Bowe went 23rd overall, not really what I class as the "back end".

I'll give you Hakeem Nicks and Roddy White, but these are rare picks. I can name you a lot more busts then get picked in the back end of the first round at the wide out position, Mark Clayton comes to mind, and Ozzie hasn't used a 1st round/early 2nd round pick on a wide out since.

Dez Bryant is a decent player, but look at the baggage that comes with him, besides, he only looked good this season.

**Mizerooskie** · 01-07-2013, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

DeMarius Thomas went 22nd overall, and he isn't that great, he just as Peyton Manning throwing him the ball.

Dwayne Bowe went 23rd overall, not really what I class as the "back end".

I'll give you Hakeem Nicks and Roddy White, but these are rare picks. I can name you a lot more busts then get picked in the back end of the first round at the wide out position, Mark Clayton comes to mind, and Ozzie hasn't used a 1st round/early 2nd round pick on a wide out since.

Dez Bryant is a decent player, but look at the baggage that comes with him, besides, he only looked good this season.

Not sure how Mark Clayton can be considered back end if Thomas and Bowe aren't. Clayton was 25th.

I could pick any range where WRs are drafted and name plenty of busts. There's plenty of value to be had at the back end of the first round, as I've shown.

**Thrall** · 01-07-2013, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Mizerooskie

Not sure how Mark Clayton can be considered back end if Thomas and Bowe aren't. Clayton was 25th.

I could pick any range where WRs are drafted and name plenty of busts. There's plenty of value to be had at the back end of the first round, as I've shown.

I agree with you, but Clayton was picked 22nd.

**Carey** · 01-07-2013, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

Who woulda thunk...it really looks like "byebye Paul Kruger" for 2013.
We just won't have the bankroll.

It's getting harder and harder by the game. Im still hopeful and i hope they are willing as i would be to release some guys to keep him but if you look at all the teams that will need pass rushers this offseason and it's gonna be tough to keep Kruger.

**Carey** · 01-07-2013, 12:36 PM

Im keeping an eye on all the QB scenario's closely. With Marone in Buffalo now and Nassib as a possibly 2nd round target do they trade into the late first by that time to ensure they get their guy? Those trade downs when the team is moving up for a QB fetch more picks then the average trade down.