Calls to fire Harbaugh are ridiculous (Merged)

**psuasskicker** · 12-09-2012, 04:21 PM

Harbaugh is without question a top ten coach in this league, and is probably top five. Coughlin, Payton and Belichick are pretty unquestionably top three. After that there's a clump, but Harbaugh is undoubtedly in it. He's the only coach who's gone to and won a playoff game four straight years, and they're highly likely to at least go again (which they'll likely host) if not win one against one of the other weak-sister wild cards.

But this team has two big problems.

1) Cam. Duh. He obviously needs to go and I'm having trouble seeing a scenario that doesn't end in the Ravens in the Super Bowl where Cam comes back next year.

2) This team has a personnel deficit. Certainly the OL is awful. Oher and Birk almost have to be replaced. LG is a huge hole. Osemele needs to develop but he's not playing well right now. Yanda's the only decent OL and he may now be injured.

But defensively there are just huge, gaping holes. Reed has turned into a full-blown liability. Lewis wasn't playing great when he was in, but his absence certainly hurts. The entire LB corps is a disaster...Ellerbe is hurt. Suggs - the DPotY - has missed more of the season than he's played. Ngata doesn't look right and we know he's played hurt if not still playing hurt. Losing JJ to free agency was a big loss in run defense. Webb and Smith are both out at corner.

Today, we had half our start-of-season projected starting D miss the game due to injury. Say "Next man up" all you want, but that includes two future Hall of Famers and one of the better shut-down corners in the league...that's a lot to try to overcome.

So maybe not so much trying to lay this on Harbaugh. 24 teams in this league have more losses than the Ravens do. Hyperbole is unbecoming.

- C -

**GaTechRavens** · 12-09-2012, 04:22 PM

There's a 24 hour wait before reasonable posts are allowed.

**leachisabeast** · 12-09-2012, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by GaTechRavens

There's a 24 hour wait before reasonable posts are allowed.

hahahhaha great post lmao

**landspeed** · 12-09-2012, 04:24 PM

Wow you this is hilarious

I read "we have to get rid of other" and decided with that alone that this is just completely wrong.

Michael oher is a top 5 RT.

It is not his fault that he is put in the wrong position.

That right there is harbaughs fault.

You people make these issues to be so black and white

**The Fanatic** · 12-09-2012, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by psuasskicker

1) Cam. Duh. He obviously needs to go and I'm having trouble seeing a scenario that doesn't end in the Ravens in the Super Bowl where Cam comes back next year.

So if Cam stays and it's Harbaughs decision to keep him, does it still put Harbaugh on this pedestal of top 10 in your eyes?

**Justlovemybirds** · 12-09-2012, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by psuasskicker

Harbaugh is without question a top ten coach in this league, and is probably top five. Coughlin, Payton and Belichick are pretty unquestionably top three. After that there's a clump, but Harbaugh is undoubtedly in it. He's the only coach who's gone to and won a playoff game four straight years, and they're highly likely to at least go again (which they'll likely host) if not win one against one of the other weak-sister wild cards.

But this team has two big problems.

1) Cam. Duh. He obviously needs to go and I'm having trouble seeing a scenario that doesn't end in the Ravens in the Super Bowl where Cam comes back next year.

2) This team has a personnel deficit. Certainly the OL is awful. Oher and Birk almost have to be replaced. LG is a huge hole. Osemele needs to develop but he's not playing well right now. Yanda's the only decent OL and he may now be injured.

But defensively there are just huge, gaping holes. Reed has turned into a full-blown liability. Lewis wasn't playing great when he was in, but his absence certainly hurts. The entire LB corps is a disaster...Ellerbe is hurt. Suggs - the DPotY - has missed more of the season than he's played. Ngata doesn't look right and we know he's played hurt if not still playing hurt. Losing JJ to free agency was a big loss in run defense. Webb and Smith are both out at corner.

Today, we had half our start-of-season projected starting D miss the game due to injury. Say "Next man up" all you want, but that includes two future Hall of Famers and one of the better shut-down corners in the league...that's a lot to try to overcome.

So maybe not so much trying to lay this on Harbaugh. 24 teams in this league have more losses than the Ravens do. Hyperbole is unbecoming.

- C -

to everything especially the bolded

I'm not really that upset about this loss considering exactly what we're fielding at this moment, last year we were fortunate enough to not get hit with too many injuries, this year? Enough for the last year 2 years.

**HoustonRaven** · 12-09-2012, 04:39 PM

Great job putting up some perspective in this time of sky falling nonsense, PSU.

**leachisabeast** · 12-09-2012, 04:39 PM

You come on this board and read some real ridiculous comments from certain people, then guys like psuasskicker comes along and tears them to shit lol, got to love it.

Wish he posted here more.

And where the hell is theflaccoshow? I know he fucked up with the whole sizzle thing, but he's a great contributor here, minus the slight arrogance.

**Bawlamer** · 12-09-2012, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by The Fanatic

So if Cam stays and it's Harbaughs decision to keep him, does it still put Harbaugh on this pedestal of top 10 in your eyes?

It falls on John not Cam. If John is too stupid to see it then he should be the first to go. However, I'm still not convinced that slow Joe is the answer either. When catastrophe hits Joe is almost always in the picture.

**ravenray** · 12-09-2012, 04:43 PM

Harbuagh is a fraud. Luck into a HC job on a team with great talents on defense. Now he is going to be expose.

**downside52** · 12-09-2012, 04:45 PM

I agree with you, but mostly on the grounds that it isnt Harbaugh's fault that the last couple of drafts have only brought a handful of competent starters.

**iggyman555** · 12-09-2012, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by psuasskicker

Harbaugh is without question a top ten coach in this league, and is probably top five. Coughlin, Payton and Belichick are pretty unquestionably top three. After that there's a clump, but Harbaugh is undoubtedly in it. He's the only coach who's gone to and won a playoff game four straight years, and they're highly likely to at least go again (which they'll likely host) if not win one against one of the other weak-sister wild cards.

But this team has two big problems.

1) Cam. Duh. He obviously needs to go and I'm having trouble seeing a scenario that doesn't end in the Ravens in the Super Bowl where Cam comes back next year.

2) This team has a personnel deficit. Certainly the OL is awful. Oher and Birk almost have to be replaced. LG is a huge hole. Osemele needs to develop but he's not playing well right now. Yanda's the only decent OL and he may now be injured.

But defensively there are just huge, gaping holes. Reed has turned into a full-blown liability. Lewis wasn't playing great when he was in, but his absence certainly hurts. The entire LB corps is a disaster...Ellerbe is hurt. Suggs - the DPotY - has missed more of the season than he's played. Ngata doesn't look right and we know he's played hurt if not still playing hurt. Losing JJ to free agency was a big loss in run defense. Webb and Smith are both out at corner.

Today, we had half our start-of-season projected starting D miss the game due to injury. Say "Next man up" all you want, but that includes two future Hall of Famers and one of the better shut-down corners in the league...that's a lot to try to overcome.

So maybe not so much trying to lay this on Harbaugh. 24 teams in this league have more losses than the Ravens do. Hyperbole is unbecoming.

- C -

he is not even a top 3 coach in his own family

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-09-2012, 04:56 PM

If Harbs is top 10, then he's at #9 or 10.

I'd put him in the 9 to 12 ranking, right about where a Tony Romo type coach should ranked.
Good enough to get a talented team to the playoffs, but can't make the crucial decisions that are needed when they're needed to help take the team further..

**GOTA** · 12-09-2012, 04:58 PM

Harabugh top 5? Only if Reid is considered a top 5 coach too.

**steelerhater** · 12-09-2012, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by ravenray

Harbuagh is a fraud. Luck into a HC job on a team with great talents on defense. Now he is going to be expose.

I think this is what needs to be considered. when he was hired the Ravens had a lot of talent on defense and that's how they won their games. Basically, for the first few years, they won in spite of him, not because of him. Now, we have a void in talent on defense, so we need good coaching to win. If we need to rely on our coaching staff to prepare the team, we are in trouble.

**PainServer52** · 12-09-2012, 05:03 PM

I'd put Harbaugh in the middle of the pack of head coaches in the NFL. Top 5? Yeah right, top 10 is stretching it too. He makes some terrible decisions as a HC, for example keeping around Cam Cameron and getting Dean Piss hired

**steelerhater** · 12-09-2012, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by landspeed

Wow you this is hilarious

I read "we have to get rid of other" and decided with that alone that this is just completely wrong.

Michael oher is a top 5 RT.

It is not his fault that he is put in the wrong position.

That right there is harbaughs fault.

You people make these issues to be so black and white

Huh? Michael Oher should not be in the NFL.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-09-2012, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

Huh? Michael Oher should not be in the NFL.

Hyperbole much?

He's not a LT or even ideal for a RT, but he would be a dominant guard.

**ravenray** · 12-09-2012, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74

but he would be a dominant guard.

How can you make such statement when he has never played there? He isn't big enough to block DTs.

**ravensnhokies** · 12-09-2012, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by psuasskicker

But this team has two big problems.

1) Cam. Duh. He obviously needs to go and I'm having trouble seeing a scenario that doesn't end in the Ravens in the Super Bowl where Cam comes back next year.

2) This team has a personnel deficit. Certainly the OL is awful. Oher and Birk almost have to be replaced. LG is a huge hole. Osemele needs to develop but he's not playing well right now. Yanda's the only decent OL and he may now be injured.

- C -

Harbs has stuck by Cam when he should have dumped him two years ago, so Cam and Harbs are attached IMO.

He offloads the defensive and offensive gameplans to his DC & OC, so he is a game manager type coach... Fine... but you better be a good one. Last two weeks... No balls at the end of the 1Hs to try to get a FG when they had about 1min both times with 2TOs. Horrible challenge against Pitt. And that stupid fake punt formation TO today... Come On... If you're not gonna fake it, take the fricking Delay of Game... That was flatout stupid. He is not a good manager of TOs.

Seriously, I don't really see where you have proof Harbs is a great coach on the areas he is responsible for. The players have been pretty damn good while he's here. He is an ok coach at best. And if he had the coaching acumen, he wouldnt have let it get this bad with Cam.