Calls to fire Harbaugh are ridiculous (Merged)

**GaTechRavens** · 12-09-2012, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by steelerhater

I think this is what needs to be considered. when he was hired the Ravens had a lot of talent on defense and that's how they won their games. Basically, for the first few years, they won in spite of him, not because of him. Now, we have a void in talent on defense, so we need good coaching to win. If we need to rely on our coaching staff to prepare the team, we are in trouble.

When he was hired the Ravens were coming off a 5-11 season. But nah, he was totally a detriment.

**seraph** · 12-09-2012, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by GaTechRavens

When he was hired the Ravens were coming off a 5-11 season. But nah, he was totally a detriment.

He took over an already good team that was entirely injured the previous season.

**ravenray** · 12-09-2012, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by GaTechRavens

When he was hired the Ravens were coming off a 5-11 season. But nah, he was totally a detriment.

The team was 5-11 because Bilick lost the team, hopefully it's same this year with Harbaugh.

**GaTechRavens** · 12-09-2012, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by seraph

He took over an already good team that was entirely injured the previous season.

Injured...you mean like the team this year? The one that isn't going 5-11?

**Ravenous1** · 12-09-2012, 05:27 PM

Look their are things that Harbaugh could do differently or should do that he has not IMO. None of those things are egregious enough to consider firing him for IMO. Bottom line is that considering we lost JJ, Redding, Webb, Smith, Ellerbe, Suggs, and Ray Lewis for a good bit or key parts of the year has to be considered. You have to have horses in order to race...the Ravens horses are gimpy at best and not in racing shape. The fact that despite these losses and an offense that is inconsistent at best we are 9-4 .....thats a credit to Harbaugh. A lot of teams might have just collapsed.

The whole Cam thing is my main beef with Harbaugh. If he fires him, well I am just fine with Harbs. If he keeps him however....well at that point his fate will be tied to Cam moving forward. He will not have the "one dropped pass from the Super Bowl" excuse to keep Cam around this year while distancing himself from the results of keeping him.

**steelerhater** · 12-09-2012, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by GaTechRavens

When he was hired the Ravens were coming off a 5-11 season. But nah, he was totally a detriment.

and 13-3 just the year before.

**Sirdowski** · 12-09-2012, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by GaTechRavens

Injured...you mean like the team this year? The one that isn't going 5-11?

Nice.

**AnquanGoSmkeABowlDen** · 12-09-2012, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Bawlamer

It falls on John not Cam. If John is too stupid to see it then he should be the first to go. However, I'm still not convinced that slow Joe is the answer either. When catastrophe hits Joe is almost always in the picture.

Thats because he is the quarterback.

Its not warranted, because he is a great QB being restricted by an overly conservative and extremely constraining coaching staff.

Quarterback is going to take the heat on any team.

**Ravenous1** · 12-09-2012, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by GaTechRavens

Injured...you mean like the team this year? The one that isn't going 5-11?

Lets not mention anything that diffuses the little temper tantrum of the fans running around acting like 3 y.o.

Harbaugh wins .....its not his talent and he got lucky to have it
He loses ...its all his fault.
Let not let common sense get in the way of pouting

**AnquanGoSmkeABowlDen** · 12-09-2012, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by GaTechRavens

Injured...you mean like the team this year? The one that isn't going 5-11?

This team also doesnt have Kyle Boller at the helm.

**Liberation** · 12-09-2012, 05:30 PM

So, a guy who wastes timeouts, can't manage the clock, doesn't know how to make in game adjustments, doesn't step in when his coordinators are lost, doesn't know when to properly challenge, lets his personal feelings on a player dictate their playing time, and flat out is lost on the sidelines on Sundays is a top 5 head coach?

Man...some of you guys are too funny!

'Top 10...maybe even top 5...' bwhahahaahahahaahaahahahahahahahaahahaahaaa!

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-09-2012, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by ravenray

How can you make such statement when he has never played there? He isn't big enough to block DTs.

Michael Oher -- 6'4" -- 315 lbs.
http://www.nfl.com/player/michaeloher/71419/profile

Marshal Yanda -- 6'3" -- 315 lbs.
http://www.nfl.com/player/marshalyanda/2507188/profile

Guess this Yanda guy isn't big enough either...

Hey, someone should tell the Ravens!

SMH

**seraph** · 12-09-2012, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by GaTechRavens

Injured...you mean like the team this year? The one that isn't going 5-11?

This year's team is different from the one Harbaugh inherited in 2008. They've lost experience for younger talent. There's not much Harbaugh can do now to get this team playing better except for managing the timeouts and replay challenges better.

**Boulderraven** · 12-09-2012, 05:36 PM

I prefer Rex back. I think he learned alot in his tenure in NY if let go. I bet if he gets another gig, he will be a wiser man, with a hell of a defense.

**steelerhater** · 12-09-2012, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenous1

Look their are things that Harbaugh could do differently or should do that he has not IMO. None of those things are egregious enough to consider firing him for IMO. Bottom line is that considering we lost JJ, Redding, Webb, Smith, Ellerbe, Suggs, and Ray Lewis for a good bit or key parts of the year has to be considered. You have to have horses in order to race...the Ravens horses are gimpy at best and not in racing shape. The fact that despite these losses and an offense that is inconsistent at best we are 9-4 .....thats a credit to Harbaugh. A lot of teams might have just collapsed.

The whole Cam thing is my main beef with Harbaugh. If he fires him, well I am just fine with Harbs. If he keeps him however....well at that point his fate will be tied to Cam moving forward. He will not have the "one dropped pass from the Super Bowl" excuse to keep Cam around this year while distancing himself from the results of keeping him.

Why does anyone think that Cam Cameron will be fired at the end of the year? The Raven's braintrust has made it abundantly clear that Cam is their man.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-09-2012, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by seraph

This year's team is different from the one Harbaugh inherited in 2008. They've lost experience for younger talent. There's not much Harbaugh can do now to get this team playing better except for managing the timeouts and replay challenges better.

So, in game adjustments aren't allowed anymore?

Then someone should tell our opponents that because those cheating bastards keep making them against us.

And that's just not fair.

**seraph** · 12-09-2012, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74

So, in game adjustments aren't allowed anymore?

Then someone should tell our opponents that because those cheating bastards keep making them against us.

And that's just not fair.

Fair is overrated and besides why should we expect professional football players to execute standard football techniques. It's all about Cam's mind games.

**purplepoe** · 12-09-2012, 05:53 PM

Respect PSU alot but completely disagree with his take on Harbaugh.

PP

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-09-2012, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by seraph

Fair is overrated and besides why should we expect professional football players to execute standard football techniques. It's all about Cam's mind games.

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**Raveninwoodlawn** · 12-09-2012, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by psuasskicker

2) This team has a personnel deficit. Certainly the OL is awful. Oher and Birk almost have to be replaced. LG is a huge hole. Osemele needs to develop but he's not playing well right now. Yanda's the only decent OL and he may now be injured.

But defensively there are just huge, gaping holes. Reed has turned into a full-blown liability. Lewis wasn't playing great when he was in, but his absence certainly hurts. The entire LB corps is a disaster...Ellerbe is hurt. Suggs - the DPotY - has missed more of the season than he's played. Ngata doesn't look right and we know he's played hurt if not still playing hurt. Losing JJ to free agency was a big loss in run defense. Webb and Smith are both out at corner.

Today, we had half our start-of-season projected starting D miss the game due to injury. Say "Next man up" all you want, but that includes two future Hall of Famers and one of the better shut-down corners in the league...that's a lot to try to overcome.

So maybe not so much trying to lay this on Harbaugh. 24 teams in this league have more losses than the Ravens do. Hyperbole is unbecoming.

- C -

This...this...this.

There are definately coaching issues and I am not a fan of either of our coordinators (moreso Cam...Pees has had to deal with the serious decline of our 2 cornerstone players and an unreal rash of injuries to basically every single impact defensive player we have), but people need to look at the fact that the years of drafting late (and the inability/refusal to stack the board for future drafts), has really hurt this team. Ozzie no longer seems to nail all of his late first round picks, and in fact has traded out of his best round twice in the last 4 years with little to show for it.

In addition to letting Cam go, we need better scouting and may have to start taking more chances with players with issues (too raw/off field issues) in order to restock the quality depth we had.