Coaching Change -- Cam Cameron has been Fired

**Paintballguy** · 12-10-2012, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by RavensQB

Now lets see if McKinnie starts LT and Oher goes to RT....

And KO at right guard if Yanda can't play.

**Jsmoove** · 12-10-2012, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds

We may hear more "anonymous" player snippets as the week goes on.

we all have known this for the last 2-3 seasons. It was never Joe's offense.

**Captain Silver** · 12-10-2012, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by RavensQB

Now lets see if McKinnie starts LT and Oher goes to RT....

And pack a bag for Moeller too...

**Jsmoove** · 12-10-2012, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by RavensQB

Now lets see if McKinnie starts LT and Oher goes to RT....

that one is on Harbaugh big Mac is buried so deep in that doghouse.

**RavensDomination** · 12-10-2012, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by bt12483

Funny.

But Denver has a killer pass rush. If we don't have the OL capable of giving Joe time (especially with Yanda likely out) then we need to call plays that don't take x amount of seconds to develop.

We need quickfire plays that relieve the pressure on the OL to hold the opposing D back. This is what Cam never did. Now Joe has been holding onto the ball too long at times, so he is to blame too. But if he had a quick slant called he wouldn't have had to hold onto the ball in the first place. He wouldn't have to wait and see if Torrey and Q could shake their defender.

People knock Joe because they say he only throws when he sees the WR open. But Cam's system also contributed to such QB play. He had to wait because that is the way the route is designed.

If nothing else I need for Caldwell to call more slants and middle of the field plays. Joe won;t have to hold the ball. He can fire instantly. Thereby hopefully negating the pass rush.

Couldn't agree more. Against teams with a good pass rush we would struggle because our offensive play calling would not adjust. I am not saying that was the only reason, but it played a large part. Like I mentioned before, no WR screens, no slants, no delays, hardly anything that 95% of other teams do in those situations.

**bt12483** · 12-10-2012, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by RavensDomination

Couldn't agree more. Against teams with a good pass rush we would struggle because our offensive play calling would not adjust. I am not saying that was the only reason, but it played a large part. Like I mentioned before, no WR screens, no slants, no delays, hardly anything that 95% of other teams do in those situations.

I hate NE but you can't deny they have some of the best gameplanning around.

Like I said earlier watch to see how they handle JJ Watt tonight - and the Hou rush in general. They are not going to sit Brady back there waiting for Lloyd to run 20 yards deep. They are going to hit quick and fast to Welker across the middle, and dump it off to Vereen or someone with space in front of him. Plays that take about 1 second to develop. Brady isn;t going to be waiting 4-5 seconds for his receivers to run sideline routes. Because hoody Bill knows that is a recipe for disaster against HOU.

Cam simply would not tailor his gameplan unless absolutely forced to, and even then there was no guarantee.

**JohnBKistler** · 12-10-2012, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

we all have known this for the last 2-3 seasons. It was never Joe's offense.

Which, if true, for a franchise QB in his fifth year, is borderline incompetent. And yes, I am not only looking at Cameron, but Harbaugh and Newsome, too.

I am not claiming Joe will be able to handle it, he may not, but this decision is a day late, dollar short, imo. We are still screwed under the cap next season with very little info on how the franchise QB does under another's system.

**Iscull** · 12-10-2012, 12:19 PM

I hope if Caldwell does a good job, he cans most of the offensive coaches (Outside of Montgomery) and brings in his own guys.

**RavensQB** · 12-10-2012, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

that one is on Harbaugh big Mac is buried so deep in that doghouse.

That thing may have been blown up this morning.

I posted last night that Harbs could have had another MUTINY coming. It may have started last night. Players were PISSED OFF. More so than I have seen before.

I think that this was higher up than Harbs.

Just my thought on it.

**ravenjoe** · 12-10-2012, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Iscull

I hope if Caldwell does a good job, he cans most of the offensive coaches (Outside of Montgomery) and brings in his own guys.

Agreed, especially the OL coach! Wibert, a truly great running back for the Iggles (back in my days), should certainly be retained!

**RavensDomination** · 12-10-2012, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by bt12483

I hate NE but you can't deny they have some of the best gameplanning around.

Like I said earlier watch to see how they handle JJ Watt tonight - and the Hou rush in general. They are not going to sit Brady back there waiting for Lloyd to run 20 yards deep. They are going to hit quick and fast to Welker across the middle, and dump it off to Vereen or someone with space in front of him. Plays that take about 1 second to develop. Brady isn;t going to be waiting 4-5 seconds for his receivers to run sideline routes. Because hoody Bill knows that is a recipe for disaster against HOU.

Cam simply would not tailor his gameplan unless absolutely forced to, and even then there was no guarantee.

Yea, watch NE for some true offensive game planning. They will focus on the quick stuff, and wait for just the right time to call something deep. Cam never had a feel for the game. Talent has hid a lot of his deficiencies over the years. We never, ever fooled an opposing defense. Did you see how open the WR's were for the Skins yesterday? Have you ever seen a Ravens WR that open?

**srobert96** · 12-10-2012, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by RavensDomination

Yea, watch NE for some true offensive game planning. They will focus on the quick stuff, and wait for just the right time to call something deep. Cam never had a feel for the game. Talent has hid a lot of his deficiencies over the years. We never, ever fooled an opposing defense. Did you see how open the WR's were for the Skins yesterday? Have you ever seen a Ravens WR that open?

They will also put Brady in the shotgun a fair amount so that he can see the pass rush. You won't see I formation 7 step drops with deep passes to Brandon Loyd.

You bring up a good point about wrs being open. They are rarely open. When Joe makes a great pass it is usually fitting it over the defense in what is a beautiful play. I wonder how long it will take for Caldwell to implement some crossing routes and higher percentage passes. Also Manning worked out of the shotgun quite a bit. I wonder if we will see Joe in the shotgun more often under Caldwell.

**NCRAVEN** · 12-10-2012, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by RavensQB

That thing may have been blown up this morning.

I posted last night that Harbs could have had another MUTINY coming. It may have started last night. Players were PISSED OFF. More so than I have seen before.

I think that this was higher up than Harbs.

Just my thought on it.

I'm hearing the story about pads, is total BS.

It may have started with pads but the players were PISSED about the offensive play calling and that's what the near mutiny was about.

**DonNMass** · 12-10-2012, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by JohnBKistler

Which, if true, for a franchise QB in his fifth year, is borderline incompetent. And yes, I am not only looking at Cameron, but Harbaugh and Newsome, too.

I am not claiming Joe will be able to handle it, he may not, but this decision is a day late, dollar short, imo. We are still screwed under the cap next season with very little info on how the franchise QB does under another's system.

Agreed, Cam aside, I always said that if Joe could do it, and didn't because Cam "wouldn't let him" that's not a sign of a leader, and if he just can't do it, then that's not being a leader either. Joe owns a big part of this, and now he can't hise behind Cam's playbook.

**dandrews** · 12-10-2012, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

And pack a bag for Moeller too...

Just curious, what exactly is it that Moeller does that you don't like? Or is it because he's friends with Harbaugh and has a DUI?

**Captain Silver** · 12-10-2012, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by dandrews

Just curious, what exactly is it that Moeller does that you don't like? Or is it because he's friends with Harbaugh and has a DUI?

Neither, I think he coaches a lousy line and shares some of the blame for trying to make Oher into an LT that he is clearly NOT!

**Thrall** · 12-10-2012, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by CptJesus

This whole board right now:

best. GIF. EVER.

**Paintballguy** · 12-10-2012, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by dandrews

Just curious, what exactly is it that Moeller does that you don't like? Or is it because he's friends with Harbaugh and has a DUI?

I'd start with the horrible o-line play.

**BigBob** · 12-10-2012, 12:34 PM

I agree with what is said in the second half of this ESPN video from today about Cam firing.

I know some people do not like Jaworski but I do think he has good insights. He mentions Cam's offense was not creative enough (too predictable) to take advantage of what we have here. I agree.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732341/baltimore-ravens-fire-cam-cameron-tab-jim-caldwell

**srobert96** · 12-10-2012, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by dandrews

Just curious, what exactly is it that Moeller does that you don't like? Or is it because he's friends with Harbaugh and has a DUI?

The oline and individuals have really not progressed under Moeller. There are consistently missed assignments and false starts which are a coaching are coaching issues. Granted the style of offense that Cam ran was very very hard on the Oline. It was basically I formation on runs which guaranteed congested middle of the field and long developing pass plays.