Coaching Change -- Cam Cameron has been Fired

**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-10-2012, 10:34 AM

Anyone that has lost his/her job knows it sucks, but this had to be done.
Sucks for Harbs too. Like him or not, and/or Cam or not, firing a friend has to be an awful feeling.

I don't expect much improvement for 2012, but I'm ready to be wrong on that.
Best short-term outcome for me is that this clears the way for Andy and Jeff to be gone as soon as our season is done.

**Jsmoove** · 12-10-2012, 10:35 AM

shit I'll take it sure this move made them look like fools , but it's better to be fool that has acknowledge his foolishness and fix it that be a fool that acknowledge his foolishness but stubborn to it..I'll take atleast now we won't have to worry about this guy next season Mr.Caldwell here is the keys to Porsche drive recklessly!!

**pslholder96** · 12-10-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

Better late than never. They now have a 4 game window (since we're 99.9% sure to play at least one playoff game) in which to evaluate Flacco, Caldwell, and the entire offense without the anchor of Cam Cameron around their necks. No one can say if that's "enough" time, but it's something.

Phenomenal news and I commend the team for having the courage to make the right choice, even if it's late.

I couldn't be happier. For us fans it was a no brainer but it takes courage for the HC to finally pull the plug on an experiment that's been down hill since 2010.

**iggyman555** · 12-10-2012, 10:35 AM

im willing to bet this was all from the biscuit, harbage has no balls

**Benny8444** · 12-10-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by TL24x7

I'm sure Caldwell will figure out how to get the linebackers to drop back quicker in coverage and keep Ed Reed from cheating out of position.

That said, this move is long overdue.

Thats on the players not the coaches. The offense is on the coaches.

Pees can only do so much when it comes to telling the players when and where to go and what to do. THe players need to actually do it. Keep in mind yesterday they HAD to be warry of the play action pass AND the threat of RG3 running so it took time for the LBs to drop they wont face anymore of those type QBs the most they will see is play action with no threat of the QB running

**JohnBKistler** · 12-10-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Benny8444

does anyone thing Pees should be on the hot seat after the last 2 weeks or was that all on the players for alowing the middle of the field open all day.

No. His unit has been devastated by injuries. He gets another year in my opinion.

**FellsPointRaven** · 12-10-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

This has Bisciotti written ALL over it .....

Much like the Fassel firing, there does reach a point where the brass needs to step in because perceptions get skewed because of personal relationships.

But then again, Harbs brought in Caldwell so maybe it was mutual. Shit, I don't know.

Hopefully it'll have the same effect as the Fassel firing.

Forgetting about the D's breakdown yesterday, something needs to be done to achieve a more consistent offense.

**HoustonRaven** · 12-10-2012, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by sandiegosean

This defintely came from Biscuit with Ozzie's input. Cam still has two years on his contract, Harbs cant make this move unless it came from Steve.

He did? They never released Cam's extension specifics. I'd be shocked if it was for two years.

**ravenjoe** · 12-10-2012, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

RT @AdamSchefter: Ravens dismissed offensive coordinator Cam Cameron and replaced him with quarterbacks coach Jim Caldwell.

Well, now we will see if it was Cam's fault and/or Joe's fault. I believe Joe has to shoulder a lot of the blame here. Yes, he has been stellar at times; but he sorely lacks the 'pocket presence' and the ability to adjust on the fly to compensate for poor play calling - Cam can't do that for him. So, we will see how this plays out. AND, I hope that Biscuit did NOT make this call - he hired Ozzie and Harbaugh to run the show, so let them do their jobs!

**Benny8444** · 12-10-2012, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by iggyman555

im willing to bet this was all from the biscuit, harbage has no balls

I am willing to bet this was in the works for a while, they brought in caldwell for a reason and were waiting for the right time to make the move.

**pslholder96** · 12-10-2012, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by JohnBKistler

No. His unit has been devastated by injuries. He gets another year in my opinion.

Agree 100% and another year to provide input on the draft now that he's got a better pulse of what he's working with.

**bt12483** · 12-10-2012, 10:37 AM

Now we will likely see little snippets of truth leak out re: Cam's ineffective, outdated scheme, relationship (or lack thereof) with Joe, etc.

I don't expect wholesale changes but it sure will be nice to see what Flacco is like without Cam. I hope Joe rises to the occasion.

**Terpsfan82** · 12-10-2012, 10:37 AM

If Harbaugh had to be forced to let Cam go, does his seat get a little warmer?

**purplepoe** · 12-10-2012, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

That is something we all felt.

And they fucked themselves by not doing this earlier. I think Bisciotti wanted to fire Cam the last 2 years and was talked out of it by Harbaugh.

I think he has hit his boiling point probably.

But it's really too late right now. They aren't going to know anything for sure off of a 3-5 game sample of games.

I said it before and I'll say it again...the team royally fucked themselves over by not firing Cam to see what they had in Joe. A lot of people have higher faith in Joe with a new OC than I do, but you just don't know and they won't know going into a year where they likely will have to franchise him.

This is exactly how I feel.

PP

**goodandfast** · 12-10-2012, 10:37 AM

Thank god. It was about execution Cam, and you just couldn't execute putting together a decent game plan. That draw on first down at the end of the first half got him fired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJoj9IqeKg

**JohnBKistler** · 12-10-2012, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by ravenjoe

Well, now we will see if it was Cam's fault and/or Joe's fault. I believe Joe has to shoulder a lot of the blame here. Yes, he has been stellar at times; but he sorely lacks the 'pocket presence' and the ability to adjust on the fly to compensate for poor play calling - Cam can't do that for him. So, we will see how this plays out. AND, I hope that Biscuit did NOT make this call - he hired Ozzie and Harbaugh to run the show, so let them do their jobs!

Especially the bolded parts.

**ctulb** · 12-10-2012, 10:37 AM

Wonder if there is an "understanding" in place with Norv Turner for next season...

**Justlovemybirds** · 12-10-2012, 10:38 AM

mike freeman ‏@realfreemancbs
Ravens source confirming what was first reported by ESPN: team fires OC Cam Cameron. Replacement, Jim Caldwell, well liked among players.

Good to know.

**moose10101** · 12-10-2012, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Benny8444

does anyone thing Pees should be on the hot seat after the last 2 weeks or was that all on the players for alowing the middle of the field open all day.

Pees has just about run out of healthy linebackers, and he's using all of the DB depth too. It's hard to say whether anyone else could do significantly better.

**StingerNLG** · 12-10-2012, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

This has Bisciotti written ALL over it .....

Much like the Fassel firing, there does reach a point where the brass needs to step in because perceptions get skewed because of personal relationships.

But then again, Harbs brought in Caldwell so maybe it was mutual. Shit, I don't know.

Maybe John didn't know how to do it because of his relationship with Cam, and Sunday's argument with him before halftime was his "out"?

Either way, the fanbase got what they wanted. So the question is, does anything change right away? Does Jim install his own system 6 days from Denver coming to town? Or is Jim going to have to continue to call Cam's playbook until the offseason?

All I'm saying is that don't expect anything to change drastically just yet.