Coaching Change -- Cam Cameron has been Fired

**Dirt1** · 12-10-2012, 10:52 AM

It's official. Cam is out and Caldwell is the new OC.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-jim-caldwell/

**JohnBKistler** · 12-10-2012, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Ngata Da Vida

I feel relieved yet slightly nauseated - good organizations generally don't do this kind of thing mid-year.

**bt12483** · 12-10-2012, 10:53 AM

Derrick Mason commenting on Twitter:

"Players makes the O schemes work. What can Caldwell do that cam couldn't?"

"been brewing for a while"

"hiring of Caldwell put wheels in motion for firing Cam"

**moose10101** · 12-10-2012, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Coastergenius

If anybody can defend CC's playcalling over the past few years, I'm all ears.

< Insert sound of crickets chirping here >

**HoustonRaven** · 12-10-2012, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Dirt1

It's official. Cam is out and Caldwell is the new OC.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-jim-caldwell/

you're about 30 minutes late

**StingerNLG** · 12-10-2012, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by JohnBKistler

Yet.

Harbaugh very much should be held to account. But at the end of the season. If this is being done now from above, you are in danger of losing the entire team.

This assumes that people will know that happened that way. Even if Bisciotti told Harbaugh to do it, that doesn't mean the players are ever going to know that.

**bacchys** · 12-10-2012, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

I think you're exaggerating a little bit. You can't expect our offense to undergo a complete overhaul in one week. They'll have some clue but we just need to add in a few wrinkles.

The offense doesn't need to be overhauled. There's nothing wrong with the Coryell or the players we have to implement it. What has been wrong for the most part is Cameron's limited use of the playbook and his insistence on running it backwards, especially on the road.

Oddly enough, yesterday's game had all the things critics have been pointing at as being necessary. Rice ran it 20 times. As a team, the Ravens rushed more than 30 times, counting Flacco's sneaks. But Cameron didn't adjust after Haslett did, and the offense kept trying to run slow-developing routes on third-and-short situations. You don't force the big play in the Coryell. You pound the rock and take what the defense gives you, and when they try to take that away by creeping up, you put it over their heads. For a while yesterday, it worked well. But after they adjust you have to adjust to that. You can't doggedly insist on doing something despite it's not working.

**Captain Offense** · 12-10-2012, 10:56 AM

So all year the focus has been on "execution". Is this what they meant?

I do not expect a wholesale change to the offensive playbook in the next three games. I do expect a new way to call the game and new twists that are actually used.

Will be interesting to see what info seeps out from "unnnamed sources".

**bt12483** · 12-10-2012, 10:56 AM

It is clear from the subtext that many players on Offense didn't like Cam.

I don't see how this can't be anything but a positive for that group.

**B-more Ravor** · 12-10-2012, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Agreed.

And given this teams track record, even if they had to force Harbs' hand, they are smart enough to do so in a way he still saves face.

Given the way he was yelling at Cam yesterday, I am willing to bet Harbs is at least ok with this move and didn't fight it.

Cameron was going to be gone at the end of the season anyway, so I think that episode just cemented it and pretty much made it possible to get it done now.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-10-2012, 10:57 AM

By the way, can anyone get eyes-on Joe Lombardi today?
No permanent outside hire will be made until 2013, but I just want to know his mood

**wickedsolo** · 12-10-2012, 10:58 AM

This way they get to see JIm Caldwell up close and personal with the offense.

**pslholder96** · 12-10-2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by bacchys

The offense doesn't need to be overhauled. There's nothing wrong with the Coryell or the players we have to implement it. What has been wrong for the most part is Cameron's limited use of the playbook and his insistence on running it backwards, especially on the road.

Oddly enough, yesterday's game had all the things critics have been pointing at as being necessary. Rice ran it 20 times. As a team, the Ravens rushed more than 30 times, counting Flacco's sneaks. But Cameron didn't adjust after Haslett did, and the offense kept trying to run slow-developing routes on third-and-short situations. You don't force the big play in the Coryell. You pound the rock and take what the defense gives you, and when they try to take that away by creeping up, you put it over their heads. For a while yesterday, it worked well. But after they adjust you have to adjust to that. You can't doggedly insist on doing something despite it's not working.

Did you see what I was responding too? The notion that the Broncos won't have any clue as to what we're going to do next week, which isn't true.

**Justlovemybirds** · 12-10-2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Corvo

Aaron Wilson‏@RavensInsider

Jim Caldwell is a popular coach among the Ravens' players. Move is being welcomed

Something that I don't think could be said about Cam.

**wickedsolo** · 12-10-2012, 10:58 AM

Hopefully, Caldwell shitcans Andy Moeller too.

**bacchys** · 12-10-2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

This assumes that people will know that happened that way. Even if Bisciotti told Harbaugh to do it, that doesn't mean the players are ever going to know that.

It would be foolish to tell them otherwise, that's for sure. As a sergeant, I never tell my soldiers I'm being forced to do something from higher that they don't like. I'm the asshole. The commander is the good guy. I once talked a commander into releasing everyone early, and then went out and told them "against my better advice, the commander has decided to let you bums go early today. Apparently, he thinks you worked hard enough."

**bt12483** · 12-10-2012, 10:59 AM

The numbers Joe has in no huddle vs. not in no huddle are pretty drastic I think. I forget where I saw the stats yesterday but there was a pronounced difference.

He has already expressed frustration in why they've moved away from it.

**Knox Harrington** · 12-10-2012, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by bt12483

Derrick Mason commenting on Twitter:

"Players makes the O schemes work. What can Caldwell do that cam couldn't?"

"been brewing for a while"

"hiring of Caldwell put wheels in motion for firing Cam"

fair analysis from Mase. I see this move as trying to catch lightning in a bottle down the stretch.

Cam wasn't coming back next year, so why delay the inevitable?

More concerning to me is the hip flexor injury to Ray Rice. Those always take a couple weeks to heal.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-10-2012, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by bt12483

Derrick Mason commenting on Twitter:

"Players makes the O schemes work. What can Caldwell do that cam couldn't?"
"

One thing at a time, Mase. One thing at a time.

**B-more Ravor** · 12-10-2012, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

i wonder what kindas offense Caldwell will be running? I am so excited to see what he will do

For this year, I doubt there will be a change to the system. They're still going to be running plays from Cam's playbook. It's just more going to be a matter of what plays are called and when.

If Cladwell is retained as the OC, then in the offseason, that's when the real changes would come.