So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

**NOLARavenFAN** · 12-17-2012, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

The team packed it in after the pick 6.

Yeah they did and Denver was ready to be had.....if you were watching on TV you could see the look on Manning's face the first quarter. He even talked about it after the game, knowing we had the opening possession in the 2nd half. A loss is a loss, and this one in on Flacco.....now lets see how he responds next week.

**NOLARavenFAN** · 12-17-2012, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

To be honest, I was telling her, we have plenty of time, we donn't need to call one when we ahve 3 left. But as I was watching them hurry, almost in a panic, I was wishing they would have called one. That turnover is on Flacco but you gotta wonder what if anything would have gone differently had they been settled.

At least we would have been in the game.......

**StingerNLG** · 12-17-2012, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

The team packed it in after the pick 6.

And that's something I did have a big problem with during the game. Then to watch the Patriots come back from the exact same score, but with much less time.

**Paintballguy** · 12-17-2012, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by StingerNLG

And that's something I did have a big problem with during the game. Then to watch the Patriots come back from the exact same score, but with much less time.

That's one thing I was really pissed about. It was a slim chance of winning at that point, but you don't just give up.

**lobachevsky** · 12-17-2012, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

The team packed it in after the pick 6.

No sense of urgency. Which is somewhat understandable when you're down 17 points at halftime & you've practically clinched a postseason spot & only need one win in your last 3 games to get a home game as well. If that's as high as your aspirations go, there really is no urgency.

Of course if they had somehow managed to fight back & win the game, the Pats' loss last night would have them in line for the #2 seed & a week off. That's why you keep playing hard--who knows what might break in your favor. (What's the old saw about luck being the intersection of opportunity and preparation?)

I wonder how many of the players saw that result & thought, Damn, we missed a real opportunity. Most if not all, I'd guess. But I really wonder how many then said to themselves, We really blew it--we should have been fighting like sonsofbitches all 60 minutes--& how many Too fucking bad Flacco threw the game away with that pick-6. My guess? Not enough of the former & too damn many of the latter.

I also wonder how much of the players' demeanor reflects their coach's attitude that the only really important thing to accomplish during the season is to get a ticket to the dance--because nothing happens without it, & once you have it anything can happen. Pusillanimous. As Robert Browning put it,

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Ah, that a man's reach should exceed his grasp,
Or what's a heaven for?

**Shake&Bake1199** · 12-17-2012, 02:03 PM

First time poster and I agree that this team lacks a "killer instinct" and they most definitely have no sense of urgency and that was apparent from yesterdays game.

I don't like the Patriots at all and hate to give them credit, but for those of you who watched that game last night.....WOW!!! That's how a team should respond when a visitor team attempts to come into their home and try to embarrass them. I saw a team that even tho they ended up losing, did not give up after what seemed like an impossible point deficit.

**Jsmoove** · 12-17-2012, 02:06 PM

I wonder what the locker room is like after that one? Harbaugh is in a brand new territory here these are things he has never dealth with as a head coach. Ozzie and comp need to take some heat for some of this shit too. I won't put it all on joe just yet, we need to see joe under system that is built for him and better talent on the oline before i write him off, but if joe think he is still elite he needs to take a long look in the got damn mirror.

**iggyman555** · 12-17-2012, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Shake&Bake1199

First time poster and I agree that this team lacks a "killer instinct" and they most definitely have no sense of urgency and that was apparent from yesterdays game.

I don't like the Patriots at all and hate to give them credit, but for those of you who watched that game last night.....WOW!!! That's how a team should respond when a visitor team attempts to come into their home and try to embarrass them. I saw a team that even tho they ended up losing, did not give up after what seemed like an impossible point deficit.

brady wouldnt let them give up

**Paintballguy** · 12-17-2012, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Shake&Bake1199

First time poster and I agree that this team lacks a "killer instinct" and they most definitely have no sense of urgency and that was apparent from yesterdays game.

I don't like the Patriots at all and hate to give them credit, but for those of you who watched that game last night.....WOW!!! That's how a team should respond when a visitor team attempts to come into their home and try to embarrass them. I saw a team that even tho they ended up losing, did not give up after what seemed like an impossible point deficit.

Did you see Brady on the sidelines? He was pissed and trying to rally the team.

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**Jsmoove** · 12-17-2012, 02:38 PM

say what we want about brady he doesn't settle for mediocratiy, i never see that shit from joe or any offensive baltimore player, Boldin is the only one that get pissed about anything, Joe doesn't have those leadership skills.

**Terpsfan82** · 12-17-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

say what we want about brady he doesn't settle for mediocratiy, i never see that shit from joe or any offensive baltimore player, Boldin is the only one that get pissed about anything, Joe doesn't have those leadership skills.

I'm not sure if he doesn't have them; he definitely hasn't shown them if he does. Maybe this coaching environment isn't conducive to letting a player fully express himself in that regard. I'm being serious. I believe that if he had, Harbaugh wouldn't support him, especially if it came down to him or a coach. I'm not absolving Flacco (or Rice either - his defense of getting 12 carries against Pitt was lame, IMO) but you have to consider the climate in the locker room before you say Flacco has no leadership traits.

**Jsmoove** · 12-17-2012, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Terpsfan82

I'm not sure if he doesn't have them; he definitely hasn't shown them if he does. Maybe this coaching environment isn't conducive to letting a player fully express himself in that regard. I'm being serious. I believe that if he had, Harbaugh wouldn't support him, especially if it came down to him or a coach. I'm not absolving Flacco (or Rice either - his defense of getting 12 carries against Pitt was lame, IMO) but you have to consider the climate in the locker room before you say Flacco has no leadership traits.

its been 5yrs have you seen it? I am not sure about the environment not being conducive, because I have seen Boldin getting into guys ass for shit, even coaches too.

**Shake&Bake1199** · 12-17-2012, 04:11 PM

I was also surprised when I saw Ray Lewis on the sidelines yesterday, looked like he was just stunned. I thought for sure he would get real pissed and lay into the offense and try and do something to rally them.

**Terpsfan82** · 12-17-2012, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

its been 5yrs have you seen it? I am not sure about the environment not being conducive, because I have seen Boldin getting into guys ass for shit, even coaches too.

Fair enough. I'm just saying that just because we haven't seen it doesn't mean it's not there.