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**Paintballguy** · 12-10-2012, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

exactly they are not going to raise their hands, besides you can't change the system now its too late for that its about making adjustments, diggin out plays in that old ass playbook of cam's to see what works to the strength of the unit rather than drive that sqaure peg in the round hole.

yep. and really they don't need to overhaul the offense. at times, this offense has been unstoppable. cam just refused to adjust and use his entire ihop menu.

**Captain Silver** · 12-10-2012, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Fish stinks from the head.

I certainly do believe Harbs is on the hot seat, and if there is no improvement under Caldwell that Harbs could be seeing the door to. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I am tired of watching every game pacing the room going "why does every game have to end like this"

Also, given the logic that Steve 'made' this happen, one would imagine he emphasized losing the conservative game plans as well, otherwise, why bother firing Cam in the first place?

**JohnBKistler** · 12-10-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by RavenMadness

Baltimore Ravens ‏@Ravens Jim Caldwell: "It's not a system change. The #Ravens offense is the #Ravens offense. It's not a philosophical change."

Ughh

Originally Posted by JAB1985

fuck.

LOL. What? You think they are going to install a brand new offense in 1 week? This is why these sorts of coaching changes are not made mid-season.

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

hes right it won't be system change, too short for that, its about diggin out the plays that wil suit Joe and this units to its strengths

Exactly. They will be the same plays, but the biggest changes:
> More up tempo, with
> Flacco having more abilities to call his own plays, and
> better game-situation play-calling,
> with more aggressive plays being called.

Those changes in-and-of-itself may make a difference. We'll see...

**RavenMadness** · 12-10-2012, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by JohnBKistler

LOL. What? You think they are going to install a brand new offense in 1 week? This is why these sorts of coaching changes are not made mid-season.

Exactly. They will be the same plays, but the biggest changes:
> More up tempo, with
> Flacco having more abilities to call his own plays, and
> better game-situation play-calling,
> with more aggressive plays being called.

Those changes in-and-of-itself may make a difference. We'll see...

I certainly do not expect a change with three games left in season.... but I think timing of play calls and some sort of change better show up like you pointed out

**Boulderraven** · 12-10-2012, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

Don't get caught up in what coaches say. They aren't going to volunteer info which other teams can use.

Exactly. What do you expect him to say? He has Denver this week and isnt going to tip his hand. "oh, we are going to do this and that and that and this" Trust me, he is brought in to change things, beleive that. Both teams are battling for a bye. Biggest game of the year so far and the change couldnt happen at a better time, Denver cant watch to much game film and know what to expect. They might have fired Cam even if they won yesterday had the 2pt conversion failed.

**Paintballguy** · 12-10-2012, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

Exactly. What do you expect him to say? He has Denver this week and isnt going to tip his hand. "oh, we are going to do this and that and that and this" Trust me, he is brought in to change things, beleive that. Both teams are battling for a bye. Biggest game of the year so far and the change couldnt happen at a better time, Denver cant watch to much game film and know what to expect. They might have fired Cam even if they won yesterday had the 2pt conversion failed.

Agreed. Caldwell was promoted to change things. If they didn't want any changes, Cam wouldn't have been fired. I expect to see no huddle and Flacco calling plays at the LOS.

**RavenMadness** · 12-10-2012, 04:01 PM

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider Bryant McKinnie told me regarding Cam Cameron firing: 'I was kind of surprised. I didn't see it coming. It's a business.'

**pslholder96** · 12-10-2012, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by RavenMadness

His presser is Thurs.....

Ummm...yeah..I know that.......

**pslholder96** · 12-10-2012, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by RavenMadness

I certainly do not expect a change with three games left in season.... but I think timing of play calls and some sort of change better show up like you pointed out

We may not see a change in the system but we certainly will see a change in tempo....and attitude (i.e killer instinct).

**NCRAVEN** · 12-10-2012, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

We may not see a change in the system but we certainly will see a change in tempo....and attitude (i.e killer instinct).

Did yo see the presser?

This is coming from Harbaugh.

**JohnBKistler** · 12-10-2012, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Did yo see the presser?

This is coming from Harbaugh.

Harbaugh said next to nothing about why the decision was made.

**NCRAVEN** · 12-10-2012, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by JohnBKistler

Harbaugh said next to nothing about why the decision was made.

I am talking about the lack of killer instict at the end of the half and end of the game - the kneel downs.

Most specifically why didn't you go for it: "too risky" " the reward wasn't worth the risk" "Backed up in your own end" etc.

Harbaugh is a loser, as a coach. Personally I think he's an outstanding guy and I'd love to have him in my corner standing up for me. BUT I don't think he has what it takes to bring home the bacon.

Could you see him letting the Giants score in the super bowl to get the ball back?

**leachisabeast** · 12-10-2012, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

I am talking about the lack of killer instict at the end of the half and end of the game - the kneel downs.

Most specifically why didn't you go for it: "too risky" " the reward wasn't worth the risk" "Backed up in your own end" etc.

Harbaugh is a loser, as a coach. Personally I think he's an outstanding guy and I'd love to have him in my corner standing up for me. BUT I don't think he has what it takes to bring home the bacon.

Could you see him letting the Giants score in the super bowl to get the ball back?

I really don't get how you can even remotely justify that Harbaugh is a loser lol, some of the comments around here are atrocious.

**NCRAVEN** · 12-10-2012, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I really don't get how you can even remotely justify that Harbaugh is a loser lol, some of the comments around here are atrocious.

He thinks going for a win with time left on the clock is too risky. If you don't do everything you can to win, you will lose. Thus making one a loser.

**Boulderraven** · 12-10-2012, 04:29 PM

Dont expect the scoreboard to light up, they have two good pass rushing DL's to contend with next 2 weeks with a shuffling line. I expect MAX Protection packages and trying to shorten the game and protect the Qb. They will take thier shots downfeild at times, but with this line shuffle and opponets I expect Caldwell to grind it out. Tough timing for Caldwell to be promoted to OC.
Max protection means RB and TE stay into block and less receivers out on routes. You may see more screens and long passes alternating to take a shot at an easy score.

**leachisabeast** · 12-10-2012, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

He thinks going for a win with time left on the clock is too risky. If you don't do everything you can to win, you will lose. Thus making one a loser.

First of all, his winning records say hello to you.

Secondly, Harbaugh is a lot more aggressive than many around here would like to believe. How about going for it on 4th and 10 in the AFCCG? Ok we didn't convert, but that's not the point in this case.

**s.r.genovese** · 12-10-2012, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

. Thus making one a loser.

I thought losing makes one a loser? No? Sound too logical?

Guy wins a lot more than he loses. Hence he's not a loser. Unless you consider every coach without a Super Bowl to be a loser which is, oh, 90 percent of NFL coaches.

**RavensQB** · 12-10-2012, 05:20 PM

Cams playbook may have plays that we need to use and see. But it will take a bottle of windex and alot of towels to wipe off the DUST!!!

**Captain Silver** · 12-10-2012, 06:03 PM

Just watched the Coaches show on NFL Network and it sounded like to me that Dennis Green and Brian Billick believed this was Harbaugh's decision.

I also watched a replay of John's breaking the news, I have to say I am skeptical this was his idea after watching his body language. Looked like a him or else speech.

**Terpsfan82** · 12-10-2012, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Just watched the Coaches show on NFL Network and it sounded like to me that Dennis Green and Brian Billick believed this was Harbaugh's decision.

I also watched a replay of John's breaking the news, I have to say I am skeptical this was his idea after watching his body language. Looked like a him or else speech.

Agreed. The corporate culture (which the NFL happens to be a part of) is very cruel in these cases, having witnessed first hand a number of them myself. Usually a senior level manager comes to the middle manager and issues an ultimatum, fully prepared to move on without both the middle manager and the underling to be fired. I've always maintained that this is the culture desired not only by Bisciotti, but by an increasing number of owners in the NFL. They are moving away from the HC as leader model towards one that make him into more of a manager. Could you imagine how a Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, Mike Ditka, John Madden, Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh et al would function under an owner like Bisciotti? It would be interesting, to say the least.