Caldwell's Style -- What to Expect (Merged from 3 Threads)

**Justlovemybirds** · 12-10-2012, 05:26 PM

Wow

In short, Cameron is a control freak. He has been for years. Ask people who were in Miami when he served as Dolphins head coach for just one season (2007) and you'll hear stories about how it was actually easier for people in the building to deal with Nick Saban than Cameron.

This is something I'd never heard about as a problem with Cam:

He's also overtly religious and comes off as a preacher at times, rather than a compatriot.

**AirFlacco** · 12-10-2012, 05:40 PM

Caldwell was on Ozzie's short list when HARBs got the job. Oz liked Marty-ball too since he played for him in Cleveland but he dropped out when he learned his son was on the list.

So if HARBs is fired later, it would be ironic if
Caldwell got his job.

Just saying.

**SugarRay52** · 12-10-2012, 05:46 PM

This isn't the first time a late season move like this has been made, From CBS Sportsline's Clark Judge:

With Baltimore losing its second straight, something had to be done to put the club back on its feet ... though this is something drastic. Seldom do in-season firings of coordinators make an immediate difference (see Philadelphia and Juan Castillo and Tennessee and Chris Palmer), but there is a notable exception. The New York Giants tried it before the last game of 2006, hiring then quarterbacks-coach Kevin Gilbride as their offensive coordinator for a must-win contest with Washington.

That was a panic move, with coach Tom Coughlin almost surely in line to get fired if he didn't win the season finale and reach the playoffs. The Giants did, and now you know the rest of the story.

Hopefully the Ravens can do what the Giants eventually did by winning Superbowls.

**kojo** · 12-10-2012, 05:49 PM

well im a little confused and maybe you guys can help me here. One of the critiques of Cam is that he is holding flacco back, but at the same time there are others that criticize Cam saying that Rice should be the focus of the offense. If youve got a QB that thinks he should be paid Elite QB money arent you going to want to have the offense centered around him and relying on him passing (a lot) like the guys he wants to be paid like? if it's centered around rice, isnt that basically admitting your QB isnt elite at all and thus should be seen more as a "game manager" and paid accordingly? So at this point in the season, who do you think Jim should center the offensive play calling/scheme around? I'm cool either way with Jim getting promoted, but Im just curious where you think he needs to go with this

**SugarRay52** · 12-10-2012, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by kojo

well im a little confused and maybe you guys can help me here. One of the critiques of Cam is that he is holding flacco back, but at the same time there are others that criticize Cam saying that Rice should be the focus of the offense. If youve got a QB that thinks he should be paid Elite QB money arent you going to want to have the offense centered around him and relying on him passing (a lot) like the guys he wants to be paid like? if it's centered around rice, isnt that basically admitting your QB isnt elite at all and thus should be seen more as a "game manager" and paid accordingly? So at this point in the season, who do you think Jim should center the offensive play calling/scheme around? I'm cool either way with Jim getting promoted, but Im just curious where you think he needs to go with this

The Ravens have an elite RB unlike NE, PIT, GB, DEN, NYG, NO so it's kind of complicated. Caldwell has to go with the flow of the game, if Rice is hot stay with the hot hand, same with Flacco. Houston is in the same situation, they just paid Schaub $15 over 4 years back in September but he's not an elite QB but he really doesn't have to be since he has an elite RB. This whole elite crap is media hyped, the true elite QBs don't have elite RBs to rely on so they have to do a lot more.

**bmoreraventerp** · 12-10-2012, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by SugarRay52

The Ravens have an elite RB unlike NE, PIT, GB, DEN, NYG, NO so it's kind of complicated. Caldwell has to go with the flow of the game, if Rice is hot stay with the hot hand, same with Flacco. Houston is in the same situation, they just paid Schaub $15 over 4 years back in September but he's not an elite QB but he really doesn't have to be since he has an elite RB. This whole elite crap is media hyped, the true elite QBs don't have elite RBs to rely on so they have to do a lot more.

Elway is an example of "elite QB" that took more of a backseat when he got an elite RB and used that to get his Super Bowls.

**elgonzo** · 12-10-2012, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by SugarRay52

Here's the article from Jason Cole:

thats an eye opener! I have new insight, ego-maniacal, and I forgot about Rice shouting at Cam. Thats why I read these boards. - Gonz

**SugarRay52** · 12-10-2012, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by bmoreraventerp

Elway is an example of "elite QB" that took more of a backseat when he got an elite RB and used that to get his Super Bowls.

Exactly but the only difference is Elway built a Hall of Fame resume before Terrell Davis. I'm personally tired of the word elite, it's just annoying.

**kojo** · 12-10-2012, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by SugarRay52

The Ravens have an elite RB unlike NE, PIT, GB, DEN, NYG, NO so it's kind of complicated. Caldwell has to go with the flow of the game, if Rice is hot stay with the hot hand, same with Flacco. Houston is in the same situation, they just paid Schaub $15 over 4 years back in September but he's not an elite QB but he really doesn't have to be since he has an elite RB. This whole elite crap is media hyped, the true elite QBs don't have elite RBs to rely on so they have to do a lot more.

But yet i dont think Joe wants to get paid like Schaub. If he wants to be paid like brees, ben, manning, rodgers, etc he has to perform/put up numbers like them to do it right? Since those QBs are so good they don't need to tie a lot of money into an RB like Rice. They just need a decent one and the money is spent elsewhere like WR and OL. The confusion from me is they just invested a lot in rice so i would figure they want him to be more of the centerpiece. Either the team is pass oriented or it's based on the run. If folks think the play calling is too vanilla right now, I imagine we want more passing plays (and more creative at that) then and not more run run pass?

**bmoreraventerp** · 12-10-2012, 06:25 PM

Also, it is arguable that Brady doesnt have an elite RB especially when they are actually second to the Texans in rushing attempts so far this season and have the top ranked offense in the league. Ridley has been really good. Ridley is not established but this season he is very good along with the other RBs they use. So although there is no question it is Brady's offense, they are pretty balanced this year in run/pass ratio.

**DrUnk** · 12-10-2012, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Guys, I wouldn't get too used to Caldwell. Nor do I think his style is relevant.

The system is not going to that much different these three games (hopefully more). And if we flame out early in the playoffs, he most likely won't be the OC next season.

Especially if Norv or Hugh are unemployed.

Unless he lights it up, he's a stop gap measure.

**Boulderraven** · 12-10-2012, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by lowrider

I have no idea what to expect from Caldwell as an O coordinator. I do believe the players will rally around him because he is not the ego maniac that Cam was. There was obviously friction between Cam and the players. The video clip of Rice yelling at him on the sideline during a game tells you all you need to know about why he was fired.

This sounds right. The one change will be JC allowing players more imput during the games. Turning it over to guys on the feild, unlike Cam who doesnt EVER focus on another teams weakness.

**SugarRay52** · 12-10-2012, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by bmoreraventerp

Also, it is arguable that Brady doesnt have an elite RB especially when they are actually second to the Texans in rushing attempts so far this season and have the top ranked offense in the league. Ridley has been really good. Ridley is not established but this season he is very good along with the other RBs they use. So although there is no question it is Brady's offense, they are pretty balanced this year in run/pass ratio.

The Ravens need to be balanced and make the offense Flacco and Rice friendly, it can be done. The media are the ones who are picking sides (Flacco/Rice).

**SugarRay52** · 12-10-2012, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

This sounds right. The one change will be JC allowing players more imput during the games. Turning it over to guys on the feild, unlike Cam who doesnt EVER focus on another teams weakness.

The Cam Cameron soap opera: "As the Game Plan Never Changes"

**SugarRay52** · 12-10-2012, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by kojo

But yet i dont think Joe wants to get paid like Schaub. If he wants to be paid like brees, ben, manning, rodgers, etc he has to perform/put up numbers like them to do it right? Since those QBs are so good they don't need to tie a lot of money into an RB like Rice. They just need a decent one and the money is spent elsewhere like WR and OL. The confusion from me is they just invested a lot in rice so i would figure they want him to be more of the centerpiece. Either the team is pass oriented or it's based on the run. If folks think the play calling is too vanilla right now, I imagine we want more passing plays (and more creative at that) then and not more run run pass?

First we don't know how much Joe wants now, we can't keep assuming he is still pushing for big time elite QB money. He might be but we can't assume that is the case now (When you assume you are making an ass out of you and me). Second the offense should be balanced where it is Rice and Flacco friendly.

**bmoreraventerp** · 12-10-2012, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by SugarRay52

The Ravens need to be balanced and make the offense Flacco and Rice friendly, it can be done. The media are the ones who are picking sides (Flacco/Rice).

I agree. Flacco can look "elite" even if Rice gets the ball a lot. Rice is versatile so we can have games where Flacco passes a lot more than we run but Rice is still very involved if the game dictates that the team should pass more.

**Uli2001** · 12-10-2012, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by kojo

well im a little confused and maybe you guys can help me here. One of the critiques of Cam is that he is holding flacco back, but at the same time there are others that criticize Cam saying that Rice should be the focus of the offense. If youve got a QB that thinks he should be paid Elite QB money arent you going to want to have the offense centered around him and relying on him passing (a lot) like the guys he wants to be paid like? if it's centered around rice, isnt that basically admitting your QB isnt elite at all and thus should be seen more as a "game manager" and paid accordingly? So at this point in the season, who do you think Jim should center the offensive play calling/scheme around? I'm cool either way with Jim getting promoted, but Im just curious where you think he needs to go with this

What about Warner/Faulk, or Montana/Craig, or Aikman/Smith ? "Elite" QBs can co-exist with "elite" RBs in the same offense. I actually think each makes the other's job easier. But there must be competent play-calling and good chemistry.

**kojo** · 12-10-2012, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by SugarRay52

First we don't know how much Joe wants now, we can't keep assuming he is still pushing for big time elite QB money. He might be but we can't assume that is the case now (When you assume you are making an ass out of you and me). Second the offense should be balanced where it is Rice and Flacco friendly.

ok, lets take the money stuff even out of the equation. Sorry about the assumptions, let me clarify where i'm going with this: every team has an identity on offense. what i am confused about is the polarization on where the Ravens should go as an offense. One side thinks Rice needs to get more touches and be more of the centerpiece. That would mean more run plays and dump offs right? The other thinks we dont call the right/varied types of passing plays. That (to me) indicates the offense's play calling should be focused more on Flacco passing. That's what Im asking folks opinions on since we have the Broncos, Giants, and Bengals to deal with. It's not a debate or "gotcha" post so sorry if my previous posts came off that way.

**lowrider** · 12-10-2012, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by kojo

ok, lets take the money stuff even out of the equation. Sorry about the assumptions, let me clarify where i'm going with this: every team has an identity on offense. what i am confused about is the polarization on where the Ravens should go as an offense. One side thinks Rice needs to get more touches and be more of the centerpiece. That would mean more run plays and dump offs right? The other thinks we dont call the right/varied types of passing plays. That (to me) indicates the offense's play calling should be focused more on Flacco passing. That's what Im asking folks opinions on since we have the Broncos, Giants, and Bengals to deal with. It's not a debate or "gotcha" post so sorry if my previous posts came off that way.

As bad as our defense is right now I would put the game in Joe's hands. Put the pedal to the metal and light shit up. Rice has to be part of that and he can be, but more as a receiver and less as a RB. I'm telling you right now if this offense can't put 30+ we are in deep trouble. Joe wants to be considered among the best, well here's his chance.

**kojo** · 12-10-2012, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by lowrider

As bad as our defense is right now I would put the game in Joe's hands. Put the pedal to the metal and light shit up. Rice has to be part of that and he can be, but more as a receiver and less as a RB. I'm telling you right now if this offense can't put 30+ we are in deep trouble. Joe wants to be considered among the best, well here's his chance.

Thanks for the answer. very fair point! and if it flames out due to lack of pocket presence and/or inaccuracy, the Ravens can probably make a decision in the off season on whether they allow a QB competition with Tyrod or another QB to happen (doubt it will get to that point).