Flacco is the new OC, not Caldwell

**leachisabeast** · 12-10-2012, 03:59 PM

Of course Caldwell is going to call some plays here and there, adjust the offense to game plans, and manage the players. But by and large, this is now Flacco's offense to run. I won't be surprised if we go no huddle completely now with Flacco, apart from in obvious situations like goal line plays or when we have to run the clock.

I just hope the route trees are much quicker timed, and Caldwell wants to implant slants into that dusty old play book of Cam so that Flacco can use them in the no huddle.

**JustaslowZ06** · 12-10-2012, 04:02 PM

I really wouldn't mind them doing this like Manning is allowed, and Brady and Brees etc.... If he wants that kind of money let him show it. these next 3 or 4 or 5 weeks are going to be exciting.

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-10-2012, 04:03 PM

why didn't he change the play on a couple of those yesterday when it was clear the D had the numbers? Not sure he has that great of a pre-snap recognition but I guess we'll find out

**goodandfast** · 12-10-2012, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

why didn't he change the play on a couple of those yesterday when it was clear the D had the numbers? Not sure he has that great of a pre-snap recognition but I guess we'll find out

Because to get rid of Cameron, he had to do what Cameron said and let that play out.

It's been self-evident that Cam needs to go for two seasons now...self-evident to everyone but Harbaugh. Joe needed to give Cam exactly what he wanted to finally get that across to Harbs.

**leachisabeast** · 12-10-2012, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by goodandfast

Because to get rid of Cameron, he had to do what Cameron said and let that play out.

It's been self-evident that Cam needs to go for two seasons now...self-evident to everyone but Harbaugh. Joe needed to give Cam exactly what he wanted to finally get that across to Harbs.

Hilarious comment that is 95 % likely far from the truth lol, but in theory it would kind of make sense I guess. I very much doubt Joe would do that though.

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-10-2012, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by goodandfast

Because to get rid of Cameron, he had to do what Cameron said and let that play out.

It's been self-evident that Cam needs to go for two seasons now...self-evident to everyone but Harbaugh. Joe needed to give Cam exactly what he wanted to finally get that across to Harbs.

**leachisabeast** · 12-10-2012, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

Indeed,

**Lee Van Cleef** · 12-10-2012, 04:15 PM

I'll believe this when I see it. I'm not anti-Harbs, I just don't think it's his philosophy.

**bmorecareful** · 12-10-2012, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

why didn't he change the play on a couple of those yesterday when it was clear the D had the numbers? Not sure he has that great of a pre-snap recognition but I guess we'll find out

I'm not going to go as far as others and say that he's simply not ALLOWED to change the play, but you have to question why he didn't when we KNOW he has the ability to do so and has done so in the past, particularly out of the no-huddle. We all know Cam Cameron is an incredible control freak on offense so it's not illogical to suggest Joe's audible options are highly limited especially in certain situations.

Also note how often yesterday the offense was breaking the huddle with 10 or 12 seconds left on the play clock... very hard to change the play when you have no time to do so. In fact, Flacco had to burn a TO in a similar situation earlier in the game and surely got reamed for it on the sidelines. Needless to say he still needed to adjust somehow, burning another TO would have been better than running the play and protection as called.

**HoustonRaven** · 12-10-2012, 04:48 PM

I don't buy this one bit.

Joe is going to have input and as we read from various press releases today, he's going to have more flexibility for sure.

But to call Joe the defacto OC? Please. Players not named named Peyton Manning get paid to listen to coaches and do what their coaches say. Joe is no different.

**Terpsfan82** · 12-10-2012, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by goodandfast

Because to get rid of Cameron, he had to do what Cameron said and let that play out.

It's been self-evident that Cam needs to go for two seasons now...self-evident to everyone but Harbaugh. Joe needed to give Cam exactly what he wanted to finally get that across to Harbs.

So you're saying Joe was maliciously obedient? LOL.

**lowrider** · 12-10-2012, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I don't buy this one bit.

Joe is going to have input and as we read from various press releases today, he's going to have more flexibility for sure.

But to call Joe the defacto OC? Please. Players not named named Peyton Manning get paid to listen to coaches and do what their coaches say. Joe is no different.

This.

I'm sure he'll have some say in the plays that are called and more flexibillity to change at the LOS, but he has a very different job to do. He needs to execute the game plan, not put it together.

**arnie_uk** · 12-10-2012, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

why didn't he change the play on a couple of those yesterday when it was clear the D had the numbers? Not sure he has that great of a pre-snap recognition but I guess we'll find out

just for the record. He audible for boldins second touchdown pass..

And again for the record, watch his presser, he knew the pressure was coming, even said its a easy play. Just didnt get it away.

**elgonzo** · 12-10-2012, 05:52 PM

Joe's head is not on a swivel. Troy's strip sack last year, now sunday, two skins' on his left like Troy with nobody there to block them. Look, I'm no Joe basher, but not being able to see the obvious, not being able to see the defenders, some of this is on Joe. Cams gone. Joe's head is not on a swivel - now, the Cam excuse is gone. Put up or shut up. - Gonz

**Tspot-D-Ravenator** · 12-10-2012, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Hilarious comment that is 95 % likely far from the truth lol, but in theory it would kind of make sense I guess. I very much doubt Joe would do that though.

Aaron Wilson said on 105.7 The Fan, that there were numerous blow-ups between Cam and Joe. I really think and believe Joe didn't like a lot of Cam's plays from the way he looked to the sidelines as plays were being called into him. Change can be good or bad, we'll see.

**SugarRay52** · 12-10-2012, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Tspot-D-Ravenator

Aaron Wilson said on 105.7 The Fan, that there were numerous blow-ups between Cam and Joe. I really think and believe Joe didn't like a lot of Cam's plays from the way he looked to the sidelines as plays were being called into him. Change can be good or bad, we'll see.

I can't say this with 100% certainty but I do think Joe was worn down by Cam and that could have been impacting his focus at times. There are going to be disagreements between coaches and players but it's very important to actually enjoy working with your offensive coordinator instead of going through the motions.

**Terpsfan82** · 12-10-2012, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by SugarRay52

I can't say this with 100% certainty but I do think Joe was worn down by Cam and that could have been impacting his focus at times. There are going to be disagreements between coaches and players but it's very important to actually enjoy working with your offensive coordinator instead of going through the motions.

I'll never forget the sideline interview with Aaron Rodgers following their Super Bowl victory over the Steelers. The first thing he said was that he was going to get with his offensive coordinator during the offseason in effort to improve his game. That was telling. Flacco and Cam never had that kind of relationship, and the Ravens should have tried to fix it early on instead of forcing the issue.

**SugarRay52** · 12-10-2012, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Terpsfan82

I'll never forget the sideline interview with Aaron Rodgers following their Super Bowl victory over the Steelers. The first thing he said was that he was going to get with his offensive coordinator during the offseason in effort to improve his game. That was telling. Flacco and Cam never had that kind of relationship, and the Ravens should have tried to fix it early on instead of forcing the issue.

The Ravens should have done this a lot sooner, Flacco and Cameron never developed a true bond. Cameron is not the type of coach you run through a wall for, the Ravens always had that type of coach on defense and we know the results. Caldwell works well with others and isn't trying to boost his ego or resume, he's a true Tony Dungy disciple.

**StingerNLG** · 12-10-2012, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I don't buy this one bit.

Joe is going to have input and as we read from various press releases today, he's going to have more flexibility for sure.

But to call Joe the defacto OC? Please. Players not named named Peyton Manning get paid to listen to coaches and do what their coaches say. Joe is no different.

Not just that, but way too much is made of Peyton Manning's being his own OC on the field. It's been said before that Manning was given 2-3 plays to work with, and he could pick from those and even move to one of them pre-snap. But it's not like Tom Moore just sat there and drank a beer while Peyton drew his own plays up.

I'm just hopeful that Caldwell will allow Joe more freedom to use the entire field. He doesn't have to wholesale change the system, but I'm sure he can draw up new route trees within plays and change some things to open up more zone-style route running.

**B-more Ravor** · 12-10-2012, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

I don't buy this one bit.

Joe is going to have input and as we read from various press releases today, he's going to have more flexibility for sure.

But to call Joe the defacto OC? Please. Players not named named Peyton Manning get paid to listen to coaches and do what their coaches say. Joe is no different.

The myth that seems to be permeating this Board that Joe calls plays or should call plays - or, in this case, will be the de facto OC - is just not rooted in reality. For every QB, but a select few, the calls come from the sidelines.