Cam - Harbaugh shouting during Skins game

**hokiefan** · 12-10-2012, 07:16 PM

It was mentioned just before halftime in the game thread John was yelling at Cam and it was caught on camera. Anyone have the game DVR'd or could post a clip of this? It was during the perplexing 40 second 2 timeout waste of a drive.

**Corey** · 12-10-2012, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by hokiefan

It was mentioned just before halftime in the game thread John was yelling at Cam and it was caught on camera. Anyone have the game DVR'd or could post a clip of this? It was during the perplexing 40 second 2 timeout waste of a drive.

Hell I wasn't going to watch the game but I think I'll check it out just for that.

**Shambla** · 12-10-2012, 09:10 PM

I went back and looked at it. Rice took the carry for no gain and then the camera went to Harbs and Cam. You could only see the back of John's head and Cam had this kind of stunned/surprised look but didn't say anything. Hard to make out what was going on.

**Ravenboy2003** · 12-10-2012, 09:24 PM

Preston is doing the same crap he did when Jamal Lewis was still here. Nobody would talk to him so he would go to Jamal and get "dirt" about what was going on in the clubhouse or the sideline. I guess Preston has a new "source" since nobody else on the team knows what he's talking about.

**Corey** · 12-10-2012, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenboy2003

Preston is doing the same crap he did when Jamal Lewis was still here. Nobody would talk to him so he would go to Jamal and get "dirt" about what was going on in the clubhouse or the sideline. I guess Preston has a new "source" since nobody else on the team knows what he's talking about.

Gotta wonder who his "source" is...

**Boulderraven** · 12-10-2012, 09:35 PM

You know I used to not like Preston years ago, but last year and this year his information has been right on the money. Before he was so anti-Billick that was his agenda I could read his columns. He's pretty good actually.

**JohnBKistler** · 12-10-2012, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

You know I used to not like Preston years ago, but last year and this year his information has been right on the money. Before he was so anti-Billick that was his agenda I could read his columns. He's pretty good actually.

Better take a seat, because I am actually going to agree with you here.

In fact, Preston has been around for so long, that I think he actually carries water for the team sometimes. This is TOTAL SPECULATION, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Newsome leaked/planted the whole protection-story to give Harbaugh cover for a decision made by the owner.

**Corey** · 12-10-2012, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by JohnBKistler

Better take a seat, because I am actually going to agree with you here.

In fact, Preston has been around for so long, that I think he actually carries water for the team sometimes. This is TOTAL SPECULATION, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Newsome leaked/planted the whole protection-story to give Harbaugh cover for a decision made by the owner.

Or the spin doctor. The timing almost seems like this had been in the making for a while. He didn't have a whole lot of time to think this over, if yesterday was the final straw. I think this has been being discussed for some time.

**FlawlessVictory** · 12-10-2012, 10:35 PM

It didn't seem like all that much to me.. but why not

**Kevlar** · 12-10-2012, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Corey

Or the spin doctor. The timing almost seems like this had been in the making for a while. He didn't have a whole lot of time to think this over, if yesterday was the final straw. I think this has been being discussed for some time.

I'm sure the FO has been just as displeased with Cam as the fans have. He really hasn't gotten much return on all those draft picks and free agent signings. When you spend that much money to put all the pieces in place you sort of expect some dividends.

I think Harbaugh protected Cam as long as he could but the straw finally snapped. I'm sure everyone would rather Cam had left on his own terms like Mattison did, but after his failure in Miami and inability to produce an effective offense here he just wasn't drawing much interest.

**BmoreBrawla** · 12-10-2012, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenboy2003

Preston is doing the same crap he did when Jamal Lewis was still here. Nobody would talk to him so he would go to Jamal and get "dirt" about what was going on in the clubhouse or the sideline. I guess Preston has a new "source" since nobody else on the team knows what he's talking about.

Yeah its called "journalism". I like how he's one of the few that really does that. He nailed the player-revolt against Billick too. The problem is when he gets into his "analysis" and starts race-baiting and stuff to get attention.

**wickedsolo** · 12-11-2012, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by FlawlessVictory

It didn't seem like all that much to me.. but why not

I dont know.

Harbaugh's body language doesn't appear happy. It does come off as a little confrontational.

HoustonRaven might be able to add more to the body language aspect.

**The Excellector** · 12-11-2012, 06:52 AM

Harbaugh was upset at an apparent miscommunication between Cam Cameron and Joe Flacco. I'm not sure if Harbaugh wanted the conservative call. Then again, he usually does. Then again, they were going to try the fake punt and did return to the Sugar huddle offense. Who knows.

**Paintballguy** · 12-11-2012, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

Harbaugh was upset at an apparent miscommunication between Cam Cameron and Joe Flacco. I'm not sure if Harbaugh wanted the conservative call. Then again, he usually does. Then again, they were going to try the fake punt and did return to the Sugar huddle offense. Who knows.

I really think it was Cameron. If you think about it, they brought in Caldwell to install the no huddle hurry up offense. We saw it all through preseason and obviously the season opener against the Bengals. Then, it just gets pulled back at times throughout the season. If Harbaugh wanted to go conservative, why would he even bother bringing in Caldwell then installing his hurry up system? Then, why would they use the hurry up in the very first game? I think it's Cameron pulling it back and Harbs and company finally got fed up with it.

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-11-2012, 07:12 AM

didn't look that upset to me; you see that kinda thing every game

**JAB1985** · 12-11-2012, 07:13 AM

I believe in the article about "the team at near mutiny", it actually said that Cameron was the one asking to employ it more often. It struck me as very odd that hed be the one campaigning for more no-huddle, when hes the OC. Again, not defending Cam, but theres probably more that meets the eye on this one.

**SNAFU** · 12-11-2012, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by FlawlessVictory

It didn't seem like all that much to me.. but why not

Harbs said: "Why in the hell are you running the ball, we got timeouts left, plus the kickoff in the 2nd half!"

**lobachevsky** · 12-11-2012, 07:59 AM

"Confrontational" is a good word here: Harbaugh gets in Cam's personal space, Cam tries to back away & Harbaugh goes with him. I'm not sure how hostile it is. Looks to me like Harbaugh wasn't going to let Cam go until he made his point (or got his answer).

In the absence of hard data, I'll stick with my earlier guess at Harbaugh's words: Jeebus frackin' cripes Cam, are you trying to force Steve to make me fire you???!?!

**blah3** · 12-11-2012, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

You know I used to not like Preston years ago, but last year and this year his information has been right on the money. Before he was so anti-Billick that was his agenda I could read his columns. He's pretty good actually.

Preston a pretty good writer?

**HoustonRaven** · 12-11-2012, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I dont know.

Harbaugh's body language doesn't appear happy. It does come off as a little confrontational.

HoustonRaven might be able to add more to the body language aspect.

Not enough there to say one way or the other. The only thing I can take away from that is Harbs following Cam. Cam clearly didn't want to hear what Harbs was saying, Harbs picked up on that and moved with Cam, making sure his point was getting across.

But this wasn't the only time the camera caught a confrontation. There was a more heated one later in the game.