Max protect Flacco

**eastjacket** · 12-13-2012, 06:59 AM

Use full backfield, 2 halfbacks and a fullback. Ravens need 5 to 7 minute drives to keep our defence off the field. Also, it's easier to run block.

**arnie_uk** · 12-13-2012, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by eastjacket

Use full backfield, 2 halfbacks and a fullback. Ravens need 5 to 7 minute drives to keep our defence off the field. Also, it's easier to run block.

Want be easier to run block when there's about 10 men in the box all knowing what's going to happen.

**leachisabeast** · 12-13-2012, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by arnie_uk

Want be easier to run block when there's about 10 men in the box all knowing what's going to happen.

Exactly.

What we need to do is keep other defenses off balance and run the no huddle around 90 % of the game. Use a smash mouth no huddle system and pound the ball with Rice while dink and dunking it, then the odd deep shot. I just this offense is better suited for the short/quick passing game rather than dropping back and throwing it up in the air.

We did this so well against the Bengals, and other teams earlier on in the year but got away from it because of some bad road performances.

**Tucker: M&T Sec 527** · 12-13-2012, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by eastjacket

Use full backfield, 2 halfbacks and a fullback. Ravens need 5 to 7 minute drives to keep our defence off the field. Also, it's easier to run block.

IDK about 3-back looks, but the 'Skins teed off on the empty backfield sets - let's lose those. Don't fall into patterns w/ Leach by which his absence signals pass. He's gotten good yardage on short, waggle-esque routes across the flats these last 2 games.

True dat on TOP/longer drives. Even should the low percentage deep passes work, they make for quicker scores that put our banged up D back out there quickly.

**The Excellector** · 12-13-2012, 11:02 AM

This defense is going to get killed, quick or slow. Set the offense up to score as many points as possible.

**GOTA** · 12-13-2012, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

This defense is going to get killed, quick or slow. Set the offense up to score as many points as possible.

That's the only way they're going to win this game. The offense has to keep scoring touchdowns.

**goodandfast** · 12-13-2012, 01:17 PM

Implementing a short passing attack will do more for the passing game than max protection will. In max-pro they're going to rely on the receivers winning one on one match ups, which isn't something they've been able to do on a consistent basis.

**Jsmoove** · 12-13-2012, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by eastjacket

Use full backfield, 2 halfbacks and a fullback. Ravens need 5 to 7 minute drives to keep our defence off the field. Also, it's easier to run block.

CAM is that you???

**Carey** · 12-13-2012, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Exactly.

What we need to do is keep other defenses off balance and run the no huddle around 90 % of the game. Use a smash mouth no huddle system and pound the ball with Rice while dink and dunking it, then the odd deep shot. I just this offense is better suited for the short/quick passing game rather than dropping back and throwing it up in the air.

We did this so well against the Bengals, and other teams earlier on in the year but got away from it because of some bad road performances.

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**Dirt1** · 12-13-2012, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by goodandfast

Implementing a short passing attack will do more for the passing game than max protection will. In max-pro they're going to rely on the receivers winning one on one match ups, which isn't something they've been able to do on a consistent basis.

Max protection schemes mean there are only a couple of receivers in the pattern. That is a lot easier for the defense to guard against. Spread the defense out with multiple receiver sets, but basically run the Patriots offense with a lot of slants, screens, rubs, crossing routes, etc. Get the ball out of Flacco's hand before the rush can get to him, and add in a healthy serving of Ray Rice.

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-13-2012, 04:46 PM

I'd rather see them spread the field than max protect. Something tells me they'll run stretch plays, draws, screens, and work to win the TOP battle. But it will also take TDs; field goals won't win this one.

**JohnBKistler** · 12-14-2012, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by GOTA

That's the only way they're going to win this game. The offense has to keep scoring touchdowns.

And oh John? If the Ravens win the coin toss, let's not defer and put the "defense" out on the field first, m'kay?

**jonboy79** · 12-14-2012, 11:35 AM

I do not understand why Leach is taken off the field as often as he is. He's a great passblocker, and a more then adequate receiver.

So in part, I agree with the post, but to a lesser degree. I'd rather see a TE on the field as opposed to having rice, pierce and Leach in the backfield.
I think the standard pro-style 2 WR , 1 TE, 1 FB, 1 RB set is what works best for this offense, passing and running. Occasionally dropping a TE for an extra WR is a better move, IMO then dropping Leach. He is a FAR better pass protector then any TE we can put on the field. An obvious passing set with 3 WR's and sa split backfield will help BOTH OT's out, and they will surely need it against Von MIller and Dumervil.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-14-2012, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

I'd rather see them spread the field than max protect. Something tells me they'll run stretch plays, draws, screens, and work to win the TOP battle. But it will also take TDs; field goals won't win this one.

Our TEs and RBs aren't great/consistent at pass protection anyway.
Better to use them as receivers which plays more to their strengths.
So, I agree with you...

Originally Posted by jonboy79

I do not understand why Leach is taken off the field as often as he is. He's a great passblocker, and a more then adequate receiver.

So in part, I agree with the post, but to a lesser degree. I'd rather see a TE on the field as opposed to having rice, pierce and Leach in the backfield.
I think the standard pro-style 2 WR , 1 TE, 1 FB, 1 RB set is what works best for this offense, passing and running. Occasionally dropping a TE for an extra WR is a better move, IMO then dropping Leach. He is a FAR better pass protector then any TE we can put on the field. An obvious passing set with 3 WR's and sa split backfield will help BOTH OT's out, and they will surely need it against Von MIller and Dumervil.

...and with you. Leach should be on the field for 95% of our offensive plays. For the reasons you gave but also so the opposing D can't tell so easily when it's going to be a pass or a run--which will really help to sell our play-action, which again plays to the strengths of our team.

**lobachevsky** · 12-14-2012, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74

Leach should be on the field for 95% of our offensive plays. For the reasons you gave but also so the opposing D can't tell so easily when it's going to be a pass or a run--which will really help to sell our play-action, which again plays to the strengths of our team.

(NB I went back to his career stats & was surprised to find that Houston actually used him as a receiver about as often as the Ravens do--I'd thought it was something they were helping him develop. It's also interesting to see that he hasn't fumbled in 95 touches since the start of 2008.)

It's a helluva nice option to have a FB who's a force of nature as a lead blocker, a good pass blocker, & also able to slip out of the backfield & pick up 6-8 yards on a flare pass (& make whoever tries to tackle him ache well into next year) because the defense is ignoring him. I'd take that all day & twice on Sunday until the defense decides it needs to stop it--whereupon other possibilities open up.

**Paintballguy** · 12-15-2012, 07:35 AM

They should never take leach out of the game. That guy is a beast.

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**Big Bird** · 12-15-2012, 11:17 PM

Gotta stick to the short stuff and hit em deep only periodically. It all depends on which O-Line shows up. Joe has his shot now what with Cam gone. It'll be interesting Sunday, but I worry about our pass defense against Manning....

**Jean Young** · 12-15-2012, 11:28 PM

Fully agree with that ! Being said will be at the game tmorow tho it's going to be a weird but great feeling not having Cam around , Joe has got to move that ball and fast score as much points and keep the D off field , not sure we will see a dramatic change in play Sunday but I'm hoping that Flacco is excited to show us what he can do with the cord cut from Cam ! So huddle in Ravens fam it's going to be a hella game at the bank !!! Lets go Ravens .

**eastjacket** · 12-16-2012, 03:44 AM

Folks, you have to go back to the 2008 season, FLacco's and Rice's rookie year, and how successful the 3 back setup was. They kept defences guessing, no only who was going to run the ball, but also receive.

**elland** · 12-16-2012, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by eastjacket

Folks, you have to go back to the 2008 season, FLacco's and Rice's rookie year, and how successful the 3 back setup was. They kept defences guessing, no only who was going to run the ball, but also receive.

Rice was a non factor most of that year. It was McClain-McGahee-Rice in that order and then late that season McGahee-McClain-Rice.
Our RG is now better (if Yanda is playing).. LT, LG, C and RT worse, now our QB has to help his OL.. in 2008 it was different.

Now we have nothing like the combo of Neal and McClain and some times they even added Ngata or added an extra lineman.

What we do have, a vet QB and more explosive receivers and runningbacks.