Trade for Kirk cousins

[Ravenous1]

I don't see him as a Sanchez clone at all. Barkley reminds me of Jake Locker. All that really matters is whether the Ravens FO likes him or not and obviously we're not going to hear for a while.

I do think they have to do something in this draft. They don't have the space to get a QB in free agency. There is no way they are going to pay Flacco what he wants and might even pull the offer the made before the season. They need an option at the position and I doubt TT is it.

I think if worst comes to worse you franchise him one year and you spend your efforts fixing the lines.

If Joe fails with a new coordinator then you can move on. At least in this scenario whatever rookie QB or FA you bring in might have the personnel around them to be successful. Right now that highly doubtful unless they address it.

[landspeed]

maybe we can lure Bulger out of retirement

[GOTA]

Barkley is Leinart all over again IMO.

This team needs to get better in the trenches both offensively and defensively. That is the #1 priority period. QB should be low on our priority list. First off there not really any great ones out there to be had, secondly I don't care how good a QB you get, they will not win with the Dline and Oline we currently are trotting out there.

Fix the trenches...thats my Mantra. Even if you have to franchise Joe and make a call on him the following season. We at least know that with Joe, if surrounded with the right personnel he can win. We know without decent line personnel we will not....that makes the decision a no brainer.

I would agree with you if Flacco didn't cost the Ravens $14 million next year or $100 million over the next bunch of years. The money is the problem. How are you going to replace that many players on the lines and pay Flacco? They're isn't the cap space for both.

[Ravenblue]

There are too many huge holes on this team for us to even think about drafting a QB early.

Joe's inconsistency is a massive problem, but unfortunately it's the least of our worries.

[LouisianaRaven]

The Flacco slander is unbelievable... When did we just have a Qb issue? Our Offensive line is a joke and Wrs aren't exactly running free... Every single throw almost has to be perfect. Sure, that pick 6 was horrible but he isn't the only problem

[RavenMan]

The Flacco slander is unbelievable... When did we just have a Qb issue? Our Offensive line is a joke and Wrs aren't exactly running free... Every single throw almost has to be perfect. Sure, that pick 6 was horrible but he isn't the only problem

Actually he did overthrow a few poeple today and throw behind so he was fairly bad but what has to be said is that the Oline was terrible at those times and it threw him off, when they went no huddle he was much better and when the O line gave him time he was better, he even moved around in the pocket better today I thought. I also saw Manning play poorly in the 1st quarter, hint his O line was letting the Ravens get some pressure, then that changed and he became Peyton again.

Joe may never be the top tier but fix the Oline and a multitude of sins are fixed.

[D-RavedUp5-27-52-20]

Only if Flacco agrees to take what the Ravens offer him. If not he might want to try his luck in Oakland or Buffalo or Arizona

I'm sorry I don't see Flacco leaving or leaving to any of those teams.

[D-RavedUp5-27-52-20]

The Flacco slander is unbelievable... When did we just have a Qb issue? Our Offensive line is a joke and Wrs aren't exactly running free... Every single throw almost has to be perfect. Sure, that pick 6 was horrible but he isn't the only probylem

. Couldn't agree more

[Ravenous1]

I would agree with you if Flacco didn't cost the Ravens $14 million next year or $100 million over the next bunch of years. The money is the problem. How are you going to replace that many players on the lines and pay Flacco? They're isn't the cap space for both.

I think you address those positions in the first couple round of the draft rather than letting him go and overpaying via free agency for line help.

Not suggesting a redo of both lines but rather moving up and getting a stud Oline or Dline guy and then getting another guy in the second who could step in and play at a KO level. Thats doable IMO

You may have to let some guys go you would rather keep like Ray, Ed, Boldin, Leach etc.... tough choices will have to be made. If you get rid of Joe but do not address the lines you may as well let those guys go anyway cause your not winning with a rookie QB or Alex Smith and the lines the way they are currently constructed.

[Terpsfan82]

Only if Flacco agrees to take what the Ravens offer him. If not he might want to try his luck in Oakland or Buffalo or Arizona

I agree. he has definitely screwed himself with his play over the past month or so. He doesn't have the Ravens by the balls anymore, IMO. They need to blow this thing up and rebuild anyway.

[Dade]

Flacco isn't going anywhere. I think they franchise him. Bring in a QB via draft (3rd round or higher) and a new OC.

[GOTA]

I think you address those positions in the first couple round of the draft rather than letting him go and overpaying via free agency for line help.

Not suggesting a redo of both lines but rather moving up and getting a stud Oline or Dline guy and then getting another guy in the second who could step in and play at a KO level. Thats doable IMO

You may have to let some guys go you would rather keep like Ray, Ed, Boldin, Leach etc.... tough choices will have to be made. If you get rid of Joe but do not address the lines you may as well let those guys go anyway cause your not winning with a rookie QB or Alex Smith and the lines the way they are currently constructed.

They're not winning next year anyway in my opinion. They need to rebuilt. The big question is how to do it and who is the core that you build around? Does Flacco become a an albatross like Palmer was to the Bengals or Vick is to the Eagles? The money is so huge that they better be right.

You either need a cheaper QB and let him grow with expensive pieces around him or an expensive QB who is good enough that you can get away with cheaper talent around him. The latter is what the Steelers and Patriots do. The former is what the Ravens and 49ers have done. Now we're at a crossroads and they really need to decide which road to take for the next 5 years.

[Dirt1]

As good as Ozzie has been overall with drafting players, he doesn't have a good track record drafting QBs or WRs. I think he has missed on every QB and WR he has drafted in the entire time the Ravens have been in Baltimore, except for Flacco and Torry Smith. Maybe you could make a case for Stokely, but most of what he did was accomplished after he left the Ravens. That said, the only way I would be interested in retaining Flacco, would be if he agrees to a reasonable contract. Otherwise, franchise him and trade him. Regardless, I would take a long look at Tyler Wilson in the second round next year.

[Ravenous1]

They're not winning next year anyway in my opinion. They need to rebuilt. The big question is how to do it and who is the core that you build around? Does Flacco become a an albatross like Palmer was to the Bengals or Vick is to the Eagles? The money is so huge that they better be right.

You either need a cheaper QB and let him grow with expensive pieces around him or an expensive QB who is good enough that you can get away with cheaper talent around him. The latter is what the Steelers and Patriots do. The former is what the Ravens and 49ers have done. Now we're at a crossroads and they really need to decide which road to take for the next 5 years.

I agree with you here. I guess my thought is that you already know that Joe can win with good personnel around him. They were a dropped pass away from a SB

If you draft a guy then you have a totally unknown quantity. We saw with Boller that if your QB totally bombs, it does not really matter how good the rest of the team is.

Everyone wants an elite QB, there are only a few though or else the "elite" word has no value. Short of having that "elite" guy, the next best you can hope for is a guy like Joe who can win with the right pieces around him. I think people get so wrapped up in wanting elite they forget that guys who WIN with the right guys around them are very valuable also. Joe has proven with the right pieces he can win. Sometimes the grass is not greener.

Last but not least your odds of throwing stuff against the wall and hoping something sticks are much better at just about every position in the NFL than QB IMO. Joe may not ever be what we wished he would turn into but he has significant value. This team has 9 wins DESPITE everything that has gone wrong, he deserves some credit for that. Its not like Rice (cause of how we have used him) or anyone else on the offense has more to do with that than Joe. Its also not as if the D (injuries) has done much to contribute to that win total.

[RavenScallywag]

Could this just be a bad year for Flacco? I'm not riding his junk as much as I was in year's past, but I think the franchise QB search is a roll of the dice. Boller was on other team's radars too. People hyped up Josh Freeman. Rex Grossman was once considered a great QB prospect. People on this board practically NUTTED over drafting Colt Brennan or Colt McCoy. Someone show me the name of a QB available from 15 or later that will SURE FIRE be better than Joe...

[Sirdowski]

Holy crap. Colt Brennan. That's a name I haven't heard in a while.

[rjslomo]

What about setting Flacco free & signing Alex Smith? Is he just a late bloomer? I think he would get good money but maybe not the bucks that Flacco would be seeking? I could be way off base.

Of course, fixing the line is huge as well & getting any QB is a lost cause without the line being solid. Do they give Oher his deal and keep him at LT, keep K.O. at RT, Yanda at RG, Gradkowski takes over C and draft a solid LG with a first or second round pick?

I know that Oher is probably a better RT but how many sacks attributed to him were due to Flacco's lack of pocket presence & not stepping up in the pocket?

[lowrider]

Only if Flacco agrees to take what the Ravens offer him. If not he might want to try his luck in Oakland or Buffalo or Arizona

I think he gets the tag this time around. If he he has another bad year he will be gone.

[RavenMan]

Could this just be a bad year for Flacco? I'm not riding his junk as much as I was in year's past, but I think the franchise QB search is a roll of the dice. Boller was on other team's radars too. People hyped up Josh Freeman. Rex Grossman was once considered a great QB prospect. People on this board practically NUTTED over drafting Colt Brennan or Colt McCoy. Someone show me the name of a QB available from 15 or later that will SURE FIRE be better than Joe...

Every QB has had a bad season or two, look up some of the greats. I am not excusing Joe for bad play but this whole season is just weird to me. Everyone is all about Luck and RG3, I have seen that along wil Wilson and the other rookie QBs that some anylysts already want to compare this to the 83 class. That is just bull, these kids have not accomplished anything yet and its unfair to put that pressure on them. if next yuear thye struggle like many 2nd years QBs do and can will people flip on them and say thye suck? Sure will, only time will tell how good they end up being, all you cna say for now is so far so good but what about next year when expectations go up?


Joe has shown that he can be clutch at times, more often than not has succeeded in being clutch so he can put the team on his shoulders but he still needs help fore the rest of the time, namely an Oline that can consistently block well, they, like Joe seem to almost be good and bad game to game or quarter to quarter some times. Joe made some nice throws today when they gave him time and he had better pocket precense, running out of it a couple of times and throwing it away.

No that does not exucse the INT but that was also a horrible play call, should have had Torrey cut underneath toward the middle, I don't think they have run a play like that before or if so not in a while and Joe did not have time to read the D, what he did wronmg was look at Q but I am not sure if most if not all QBs would have done thath, he got the snap, looked at him and then threw and the DB read it right obviously and the throw looked slow and poor as well, no excuse for it but that may be an example of setting him up to fail, another thing he should have done is said I am not running this play, call a TO and talk about it.

I did see some good play calls today, on David's Reed reception he ran an out with a cut. Someone talked about last week that the O does not run routes that 'break the DBs ankles" well that did, the DB actualfly tripped over his own feet I think so there is some hope I believe.

[TTRaven]

Could this just be a bad year for Flacco? I'm not riding his junk as much as I was in year's past, but I think the franchise QB search is a roll of the dice. Boller was on other team's radars too. People hyped up Josh Freeman. Rex Grossman was once considered a great QB prospect. People on this board practically NUTTED over drafting Colt Brennan or Colt McCoy. Someone show me the name of a QB available from 15 or later that will SURE FIRE be better than Joe...

I don't think so. His stats this year are very similar to the stats in his first 4 seasons. I think he's reached his potential. He's an average QB.