Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

[AirFlacco]

But it looks like Harbaugh WASN'T letting "the inmates run the asylum". He wasn't caving to the players...instead, when his BOSS said "you need to fire Cam", he tried to find ways to protect him until finally running out of excuses.

I do have to wonder if Harbaugh burned some of his "character capital" with Steve B by protecting Cam. I'm betting Steve B isn't too thrilled that Harbaugh tried to keep Cam in employ, and it netter only worse results. That there could take his coaching job from soundly secure to starting to be questioned.

Yea but it's gonna be hard to fire a guy who made 5 straight play offs.

[NC Raven]

Bob Belichick won 3 rings within 4 years. I know that he hasn't won since 04, but the guy still has 3 rings.

In the last five years, who has been a better NFL head coach, gotten better results, than Harbaugh?

All the Pats are now is the Kings of the Regular Season, just like Peyton Manning's Colts used to be.

The Pats do not have a Pittsburgh, or a Baltimore, in their division. They cakewalk through a piss poor division, which parlays into home playoff games. They always end up looking better than they are.

So why has their defense been so horrible? No one cares, because hey look at all those passing yards!!! In a fantasy football world, "elite" just means "racking up lots of fantasy stats", which the Pats excel in.

But what have they won in the past 5 years (which is all Harbs can be compared with since that's as long as he's been around)?

Compare Belichick's FIRST FIVE YEARS as an NFL HC to Harbaugh's. Ready?

From Wikipedia.

"From 1991 until 1995, Belichick was the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. During his tenure in Cleveland he compiled a 36–44 record, leading the team to the playoffs in 1994, his only winning year with the team. Coincidentally, his one playoff victory during his Browns tenure was achieved against the Patriots in the wild card round during this postseason. In Belichick's last season in Cleveland the Browns finished 5–11."

It is NOT EVEN CLOSE.

People act like Belichick was born winning Super Bowls.

[Paintballguy]

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[CoverD]

I gotta say...it's going to be hard to fire Harbaugh due to his annual appearances in the playoffs throughout his HC career.

I know its not a good comparison due to the idiotic ownership/GM but Rex Ryan has been in his HC job just as long as Harbs and hasn't been fired yet (likely to change after this season) and the Jets haven't been to the playoffs as often.

[Kevlar]

I don't see why people are questioning the timing?

Because of the lockout and no one really being available they decided to stick with Cam.

Most of the way through the season it was obvious it was the same old Cam. Rigid to a fault, running an outdated system, stymied by powerhouse defensive units like Kansas City and Washington.

Harbaugh defending Cam is no surprise, they are old friends and outside of designing an NFL offense Cam seems like a great guy. Plus Harbaugh not having a strong offensive background needed a Cam Cameron. He doesn't want some hot young whipper snapper running a super powered offense and taking all the glory. He might just get supplanted. Cam was a security blanket for John.

But the writing was on the wall. Cam *HAD* to be let go during the season or the Ravens would be right back where they were last year. Stuck in the playoffs with Cam, and all the hot prospects would already have been hired by the teams that didn't make the playoffs.

Caldwell isn't the long term answer at OC and I doubt he will be retained in that capacity. Look for the Ravens to bring in a bright guy who knows how to run an offense.

(Hire Tedford!)

[CoverD]

I wouldn't mind bringing in Ken Whisenhunt as our OC since I doubt he'll be coaching in Arizona after this season.

[B-more Ravor]

So why has their defense been so horrible?

Interestingly, the last time the Pats had a good defense was 2009, when their DC was ...........Dean Pees.

[B-more Ravor]

I wouldn't mind bringing in Ken Whisenhunt as our OC since I doubt he'll be coaching in Arizona after this season.

If he becomes available, I think he'd be a very interesting name to consider. Strongly.

[Corey]

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Belichick: 16 years HC experience

Harbaugh: 5 years HC experience

Infact Belichick didn't win his first superbowl until year 5. I am just saying.

[Shambla]

Belicheck is one of the top coaches in the league but Brady and Peyton are basically cheat codes.

[Paintballguy]

You guys are high if you're trying to say harbaugh is a better coach then bob belichick.


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[Captain Silver]

Seriously, Harbaugh isn't better than Billick yet and you guys think he is better than Belicheck? Pass the blunt...

[CoverD]

Belicheck is one of the top coaches in the league but Brady and Peyton are basically cheat codes.

up - up - down - down - left - right - left - right - B - A - start

"Congratulations...you win a SB ring!"

[Boulderraven]

Says the guy who's "inside source" told him that Ray, Pollard,and Yanda were playing this week. Forgive me for continuing to insist that you're pulling this stuff out of your hat, but you've been wrong as often as you've been right and the stuff you have been right on hasn't exactly been groundbreaking.

No i said Yanda isnt playing, btw. Might miss entire season. I was told Ray and Pollard where playing and was surprised they didnt as well as many others. But also, Smith and Suggs where gametime decisions but thought they would play. Everyone was surprised by Rays and Pollards absence. Ray had been practicing for 2 weeks. Still surprised.

[Thyrl]

I'm not sure how folks are looking at the talent on this team and figuring that bad coaching is the reason for their problems. There's not 1 unit on the Ravens that should be considered top 10 in the league based on how they've played. The running backs would be closest but simply haven't played that way no matter how limited their opportunities. QB, O-Line, D-Line, Receivers, Linebackers or secondary...they all stink.

Cam may have deserved to be fired, but if it's because he was simply calling the wrong plays then we should expect to see it fixed immediately. This crap about the system lingering is a cop out. All teams have the same plays in their playbooks. If the wrong ones were simply being called then the new guy needs to call the right ones. If the players weren't executing for Cam they won't execute for Caldwell or anyone else.

The offensive line above all other units just stinks. Nothing about the play calling is changing that. Everyone is calling for Ray Rice to get more carries, but he's not playing well. He has 230 carries and only 5 have gone beyond 20 yards. The only guys in that ballpark with worse numbers are Shonn Green, Matt Forte and Trent Richardson. Bernard Pierce in a much smaller sample size is having about the same level of production in the running game.

It'd be interesting to see players handling their own business before running above the coach's head to point fingers at the OC. The inmates are running the asylum. It's been mentioned that it worked with Billick and now it's worked with Cam. It shouldn't come as any surprise that the players simply quit on Sunday. History suggests they can oust Harbaugh the same way. It's a dangerous precedent and nothing positive can come of firing the OC at this late stage in the game.

The coaches can't block, they can't run, they can't catch and they can't keep the QB from fumbling. Sadly, too often this year, the players who can do all of those things simply haven't and instead of owning their ineptitude have found comfort in finger pointing.

[RavenScallywag]

Look, I'm not so blind as to say Harbaugh keeps his job no matter what, but to all of you who are saying you want him replaced with a proven SB coach...

You are assuming we can push all our chips in and get Payton. But what if he stays with Saints, or goes to Cowboys.

What other "SB Proven HC" are out there waiting for a job?

I'll wait for your response....If it's Gruden, I'll continue to wait for your response.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

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Is that Bill's brother or cousin?
And he's won 3 Super Bowls too, like Bill?
Wow. Coaching must really run in that family.

So, any chance we can get Bob to be our HC?
He'd surely be an improvement over Joe Hardbaugh.

[Paintballguy]

Is that Bill's brother or cousin?
And he's won 3 Super Bowls too, like Bill?
Wow. Coaching must really run in that family.

So, any chance we can get Bob to be our HC?
He'd surely be an improvement over Joe Hardbaugh.

Trump referred to him as bob belichick it's a joke much like your post and anyone who thinks harbaugh is a better coach.


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[Cj34]

This crap about the system lingering is a cop out. All teams have the same plays in their playbooks.

You may be correct on the first sentence but you're off base on the second. High school and college teams don't have all the same plays. In the NFL, where the concepts are infinitely more complex, do you really think everyone has the same plays?

[Paintballguy]

FWIW, I just talked to a source inside the Ravens org about this. He said that Harbaugh had a meeting with the FO to try to fire him, but they pushed back saying they wanted to let him finish out the year.

Seems strange to me because that's the opposite of what was reported.