This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

**RavensQB** · 12-19-2012, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Just as I would shove it in peoples faces if he went and turned out to be nothing more than an average QB on a shit team.

LOL dude we know what AXE you grind. Can you give it a fking rest already.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 12-19-2012, 07:06 AM

One more thing to keep in mind.

Would John Harbaugh be willing to bank his job on Alex Smith?
Because if Alex comes here and stinks up the joint then what's Harbs' excuse?
After all, his brother Jim was able to turn Alex Smith into a second tier QB.

So why couldn't John?

Given how Harbs is already in trouble over how he handled Cam and failing to win with Alex would only stoke the flames under his seat--not to mention further expose his deficiencies as a coach--would Harbs be willing to take that risk?

Well isn't that one of the knocks on Harbs, that he is risk adverse?

You guys who are clamoring for Alex Smith haven't looked at this from all angles, especially from Harbs' point of view.

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74

To those of you who think that we should trade Joe/let him walk, then sign Alex Smith or Matt Flynn as a stop gap, then draft a better QB in 2013/14/15, my question is this:

Given this FO's track record in recent years regarding the draft, what makes you so confident they CAN draft a better QB?
For that matter what makes you think this coaching staff is capable of developing one?

Despite recent history, Ozzie still has an awesome track history of drafting all pro's, just look at Ray Rice. Torrey Smith is someone I think can become a Mike Wallace type player, and even Joe Flacco was a great pick, it's just he isn't a top 5 QB and shouldn't be paid like one.

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by RavensQB

LOL dude we know what AXE you grind. Can you give it a fking rest already.

Lol well I'm not the one who wants Flacco to go to another team and beat us. Always the team over the player, even if it is the QB.

**RavensQB** · 12-19-2012, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Lol well I'm not the one who wants Flacco to go to another team and beat us. Always the team over the player, even if it is the QB.

Well I guess what you read is not what you remember. I said

This town would go apeshit if Joe left then goes on to a team and wins 3-4 Superbowls....

But I guess the AXE ain't the only thing not sharp.

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by RavensQB

Well I guess what you read is not what you remember. I said

But I guess the AXE ain't the only thing not sharp.

I'm just doing what you guys are doing when you think I'm bashing Flacco, if you read half of what I post you will understand that I'm merely following what Ozzie famously says.

''Right player, right price''.

Flacco at 75 million is the right price, not over 100 million.

**RavensQB** · 12-19-2012, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I'm just doing what you guys are doing when you think I'm bashing Flacco, if you read half of what I post you will understand that I'm merely following what Ozzie famously says.

''Right player, right price''.

Flacco at 75 million is the right price, not over 100 million.

How many years? 5, 6, 7?

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by RavensQB

How many years? 5, 6, 7?

5 or 6 years sounds about right, it will be very beneficial to us, because it's nicely spread out and will allow us to get Flacco some better players on offence. If Flacco gets a better supporting cast, maybe he may elevate his game and will see an even richer third contract by the time he hits 33.

**wickedsolo** · 12-19-2012, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Lol well I'm not the one who wants Flacco to go to another team and beat us. Always the team over the player, even if it is the QB.

I agree if there is a legitimate option to make the team better. The Colts let Peyton walk because they knew they were going to draft Andrew Luck. The Ravens don't have an option like that.

The best way to make this team better is to get Flacco under a contract that makes sense and allows them to surround him with a good supporting cast. Plain and simple.

**wickedsolo** · 12-19-2012, 07:29 AM

I think 6 years around 12-13 mill per year is going to be close to what the contract is. That's about $72-78 million in total.

Guaranteed money...maybe $33-35 mill.

**RavensQB** · 12-19-2012, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I think 6 years around 12-13 mill per year is going to be close to what the contract is. That's about $72-78 million in total.

Guaranteed money...maybe $33-35 mill.

I would try to push the per/year down a lil more and bonus more.

11-12 or even 10 with escolators

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I think 6 years around 12-13 mill per year is going to be close to what the contract is. That's about $72-78 million in total.

Guaranteed money...maybe $33-35 mill.

You see, we are not on a different page at all.

I just hope that's what Flacco sees too, because it will allow us to keep a good QB who is a much better option than anything else out there this offseason, as well as saving some money so we can get some good players, maybe Brandon Alberts.

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 07:37 AM

I wonder if Flacco will be willing to backload his contract, because down the line we'll be in much better cap shape than we will be for the next two years.

**RavensRule21215** · 12-19-2012, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I'm just doing what you guys are doing when you think I'm bashing Flacco, if you read half of what I post you will understand that I'm merely following what Ozzie famously says.

''Right player, right price''.

Flacco at 75 million is the right price, not over 100 million.

So it's like I posted in another thread. You're okay with Joe at 75M but not over 100M:

Originally Posted by RavensRule21215

So do all these 17 pages REALLY boil down to this:

Joe is fine at "X = Top 10-15" amount of dollars, but Joe is NOT fine at "Y = ELITE" amount of dollars?

Actually, I don't have a problem with that. I just don't understand how/why this thing has spun so far out of control when it boils down to something as fundamentally simple as that.

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by RavensRule21215

So it's like I posted in another thread. You're okay with Joe at 75M but not over 100M:

Actually, I don't have a problem with that. I just don't understand how/why this thing has spun so far out of control when it boils down to something so fundamentally simple as that.

Because Flacco clearly asked for top 5 money, that's what this is about. Now, he may not be asking for that anymore, but why hasn't he accepted the original deal he was offered then?

**RavensRule21215** · 12-19-2012, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Because Flacco clearly asked for top 5 money, that's what this is about. Now, he may not be asking for that anymore, but why hasn't he accepted the original deal he was offered then?

Why should he? Would YOU accept an offer that's less than other teams would be willing to give you, especially given how the Ravens have dealt with Joe? (i.e. Sticking him with Cameron despite the OBVIOUS problems?!!) I think all this was really exacerbated when Zorn was let go. For the first time Joe expressed some real negative opinions, and it's just been smoldering ever since. This year was an important year in the Ravens-Joe negotiations, and I think the Ravens handled it very poorly because they chose to re-sign Cameron. Now there's probably going to be a price to pay for that decision.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-19-2012, 07:49 AM

If 5 doesn't realize that this team needs to reserve some loot to build a better front for him so that he can ultimately be successful then he's an idiot...and will be remembered (though easily forgotten outside the AFCN) as one of dozens of well-paid losers at the QB position.

He's smarter than that right?
So he would favor a backloaded deal right?

**RavensRule21215** · 12-19-2012, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

If 5 doesn't realize that this team needs to reserve some loot to build a better front for him so that he can ultimately be successful then he's an idiot...and will be remembered (though easily forgotten outside the AFCN) as one of dozens of well-paid losers at the QB position.

He's smarter than that right?
So he would favor a backloaded deal right?

Hmmmm...so he's an idiot for wanting to get as big a pay day as he can? Got it.

smh

**RavensQB** · 12-19-2012, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by RavensRule21215

Hmmmm...so he's an idiot for wanting to get as big a pay day as he can? Got it.

smh

I guess the idiot part would be if we do not have money to spend on the OLINE to protect him. He could be out pretty quick.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-19-2012, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by RavensRule21215

Hmmmm...so he's an idiot for wanting to get as big a pay day as he can? Got it.

smh

No. And that's not even a good question in the context of what's being argued here and you know it.

Pretty much by definition he WILL get as big a pay day as he can get...all UFAs do. That's what "market" means. This is the QB position we're talking about...you know that position that's just about solely responsible for winning games. Winning.

If he doesn't want to win here then sure keep pressing the ceiling...and keep losing across most of your 5-6 years too b/c its going to take a few to construct a quality line through the Draft.