The impact of franchising Flacco...who could be lost

**iggyman555** · 12-19-2012, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

We could suit up DEN's/ESPN's Tom Jackson and get better production than what McClain has turned in. Ridiculous.

mcclain has been a joke for a long time, harbage prob convinced oz to sign him to this contract because ellerbe was deep in the dog house

**alien bird** · 12-19-2012, 12:37 PM

I don't get the infatuation with Jacoby Jones. The Ravens can spend that $4+ million in more needed areas, find cheaper replacements for what he brings to the table and not have a huge drop off in production.

**Paintballguy** · 12-19-2012, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by alien bird

I don't get the infatuation with Jacoby Jones. The Ravens can spend that $4+ million in more needed areas, find cheaper replacements for what he brings to the table and not have a huge drop off in production.

Notsureifsrs. He single handily won the Pitt game with his TD return. Plus, he consistently has long returns to put us in great field position. He's shown good things as a receiver too. Blame the coaching staff for not using him more.

**esmd** · 12-19-2012, 01:04 PM

I'd like to extend Jones to lower his cap number. Great returner, and I think he does a decent job as a WR. His hands are iffy at times, but I think he's been underused this year. If Boldin gets cut, which seems likely, I think we'd want to have Jones back next year to go along with Smith and Doss.

**Paintballguy** · 12-19-2012, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by esmd

I'd like to extend Jones to lower his cap number. Great returner, and I think he does a decent job as a WR. His hands are iffy at times, but I think he's been underused this year. If Boldin gets cut, which seems likely, I think we'd want to have Jones back next year to go along with Smith and Doss.

Smith, Doss and Jones would be my ideal receivers. Smith and Jones on the outside and Doss in the slot.

**Dirt1** · 12-19-2012, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

Smith, Doss and Jones would be my ideal receivers. Smith and Jones on the outside and Doss in the slot.

**GOTA** · 12-19-2012, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Dirt1

Birk was done last year. Bringing him back was a stupid move. Now they will have to dead with dead money against the cap. Giving Bobbie Williams that contract wasn't very good either.

Remember everyone posting those analysis links about how Birk was the 2nd best Center in the NFL last year? I said bullshit then and I say bullshit now.

**Jsmoove** · 12-19-2012, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

Remember everyone posting those analysis links about how Birk was the 2nd best Center in the NFL last year? I said bullshit then and I say bullshit now.

I never understood what the hell they were looking at to say that.

**wickedsolo** · 12-19-2012, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

Remember everyone posting those analysis links about how Birk was the 2nd best Center in the NFL last year? I said bullshit then and I say bullshit now.

I remember getting damn near run off this board by some folks for claiming that Birk didn't have the legs anymore.

**Paintballguy** · 12-19-2012, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

Remember everyone posting those analysis links about how Birk was the 2nd best Center in the NFL last year? I said bullshit then and I say bullshit now.

I don't know how that's possible. I guess because he maintained his block even if it was into flacco. Lol

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**wickedsolo** · 12-19-2012, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

I never understood what the hell they were looking at to say that.

Because PFF told them so.

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 02:53 PM

If someone actually takes the time out to watch tape on Birk through 2010, then you will see why PFF had him ranked high.

**GOTA** · 12-19-2012, 02:54 PM

Looking at this chart I think if Ray Lewis wants to come back he's going to come back. $3 million is just too much dead money. They're not going to push him out the door. He could still end up retiring which means the Ravens are forced to eat it but for that money it's going to be Ray's decision.

**GOTA** · 12-19-2012, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

If someone actually takes the time out to watch tape on Birk through 2010, then you will see why PFF had him ranked high.

This was 2011. Birk ended the year with a knee injury and wasn't even sure if he was going to retire or not. Next thing you know the Ravens are signing him to a 3 year deal with a big balloon payment starting year 2. That deal forces them to cut him and eat a lot of dead money. The way they structured it they had to know it was going to happen. It never made sense to me.

**Jsmoove** · 12-19-2012, 03:02 PM

when is Ozzie going to catch heat for this shit?

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

This was 2011. Birk ended the year with a knee injury and wasn't even sure if he was going to retire or not. Next thing you know the Ravens are signing him to a 3 year deal with a big balloon payment starting year 2. That deal forces them to cut him and eat a lot of dead money. The way they structured it they had to know it was going to happen. It never made sense to me.

PFF didn't have him ranked as the second best center in 2011 though, IDK where that came from.

**JustaslowZ06** · 12-19-2012, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I remember getting damn near run off this board by some folks for claiming that Birk didn't have the legs anymore.

Yep, me you and GOTA and I think one or 2 others we're getting fried for saying he was done, and hat was BEFORE Wilfork embarrassed him.

**JustaslowZ06** · 12-19-2012, 03:16 PM

The 5M in deadmoney pretty much assures that Ray and McClain will be back, unless Ray retires. Believe Ellerbe is a RFA same with McClellan. But thats a pretty big lock that Kruger is gone and we'll use the draft to replace Ayanbedego and Kruger's spots.

Theres some much more interesting players that I'd like to see what they cost in dead money. It's obvious that Birk and Wiliams will be gone, Boldin will restructure or be gone. Jones and Leach I'm on the fence, 4M is a nice chunk of savings for a kick returner especially when they've been sending Doss back there alot on punts.

Leach is a little different. You're saving 3M but that is going to be eaten up a little by whomever you sign. Unless it's a draft pick you're looking at really only saving 1-1.5M giving adding in the deadmoney.

**GOTA** · 12-19-2012, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

PFF didn't have him ranked as the second best center in 2011 though, IDK where that came from.

They didn't have to. It was because of that 2010 rank that there were those who believed that 2011 was an anomaly or maybe an injury. He was ranked so high in 2010 that they didn't see old age catching up with him. Birk's technique has always been good but even in 2010 he had no push as a run blocker despite the website ranking.

**Sua Sponte** · 12-19-2012, 04:16 PM

Q is gone, unless he takes a pay cut, Ray will probably be asked to take a pay cut, but I don't see him getting cut, especially with the way the DL played, Willis would have had trouble behind our DL. Birk is gone, Williams is gone, I think Jones stays, I think depends on what type of OC they bring in, if they go WC will a 4mil FB be worth it. I would like to see McClain gone, pending his injury, think the cap hit is to high unless they can get Ellerbe at a good price. Reed will Retire he will not put his pride down and he is just to banged up to go somewhere else. Be really surprised if he takes 3mil, can't see them offer him more than that.

Don't be surprised if some restructuring takes place (Ngata and Suggs) Ngata should take a pay cut based off of his performance the past 1.5 years at his price he should causing more Mendenhall type fumbles and blowing plays up.