Ed Reed needs to go

**Paintballguy** · 12-19-2012, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Last time I checked, smart has nothing to do with the ability to tackle.

Didn't say it did.

**Jsmoove** · 12-19-2012, 01:45 PM

it's kinda painful to see Ed take pore angles or get drug for 15-20yrds extra on a play. I aint saying Ed is all the way done, I think if Ed plays where he keeps his assignments he can still be a threat, but has bad as the defense is and probably will be he can't play like the ED Reed we knew.

**Captain Silver** · 12-19-2012, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

It will be the same offseason with Ed. If people think Ed is the problem they are crazy. I have been watching S play my whole life. He is actually having a good year. With shuffling Cb's and LB's and a very inconsistent pass rush he is masking alot of errors. It wasnt his fault, the 2 point conversion happened in Washington, blame the DC and LB's for not knowing the obvious. Ed is the smartest player on the WHOLE team. Plus, add to the fact the rules are so vague about where to hit someone.

Smart doesn't tackle.

**Boulderraven** · 12-19-2012, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Smart doesn't tackle.

FREE SAFETIES arent supposed to make many tackles, if they do its a real bad sign of other problems.

**Captain Silver** · 12-19-2012, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

Didn't say it did.

Sorry, I was getting an X-ray on my hand and hit the wrong quote!

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

it's kinda painful to see Ed take pore angles or get drug for 15-20yrds extra on a play. I aint saying Ed is all the way done, I think if Ed plays where he keeps his assignments he can still be a threat, but has bad as the defense is and probably will be he can't play like the ED Reed we knew.

^^^this for thatVVV

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

FREE SAFETIES arent supposed to make many tackles, if they do its a real bad sign of other problems.

Come on, did you just type that bullshit? Ronnie Lott was one of the most FEARED tacklers in the history of the NFL... and a free safety.

Reed would shit himself if Gronk were heading right at him. If a linebacker misses Gronk does that mean Ed get's a hall pass to let him by?

Stamp that Purple Card because you are blinded.

**Paintballguy** · 12-19-2012, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

FREE SAFETIES arent supposed to make many tackles, if they do its a real bad sign of other problems.

Part of the job of being a safety is to make a saving tackle if the ball carrier made it past the front 7 and/or corners. I think it's a pretty big part of being a safety.

"Safeties are the last line of defense, and are thus expected to be sure tacklers. "

**elland** · 12-19-2012, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

That would be a great move for Ed...and if IND wins the SB in 2014 and Ed got his ring, I'd be ecstatic (along as they didn't beat us along the way).

I could live with that. What I would hate.. See him in a pittsburgh uniform.. him and troy and a healthy year for both of them, sigh.

**Bawlamer** · 12-19-2012, 05:52 PM

I've been noticing stuff all year. I'm a Reed fan. But he's pulling from some tackles. Sometimes he really mixes it up and afterwards he lays there in pain. I don't want to see that either. He backs up a lot when the play comes his way. I think he's playing on pain meds. Unfortunately I think he'll retire early like Jonathan. But as much as it pains me I think it's time. Thank you Ed. You're a blessing to Baltimore. .

**CoverD** · 12-19-2012, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by festivus

I was talking about the OP, which is why I quoted it repeatedly. I missed what you said.

edit: Hmm, decaf. Maybe I will...

You can call my original post hysteria all you'd like. Like you said, the words have the same practical effect, but do you think that I'd get as many people talking about a thread that had the title:

Originally Posted by festivus

"I cannot see the FO giving in to his contract demands"

The answer is no, no you wouldn't. It was meant to catch your attention and get people talking, which obviously...it caught your attention for several of your posts. I even say in my first post that "he's past his prime and needs to move on." So no, I am not being hysterical, I'm simply getting people to talk about it and get them a little riled up. I apparently succeeded after reading your posts.

**Boulderraven** · 12-19-2012, 06:29 PM

I havent seed Ed miss a tackle to create a TD yet this season, his pick vs the Steelers should of salted that game away, but the Oline/OC gave the ball right back.

**CoverD** · 12-19-2012, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

I havent seed Ed miss a tackle to create a TD yet this season, his pick vs the Steelers should of salted that game away, but the Oline/OC gave the ball right back.

I'm sorry Boulderraven, but I don't know what games you are watching then. I could give you a little leeway on the TDs given up, but he's done that same "shove" tackle crap that Deion Sanders used to do toward the end of his career just about every time I've seen him try to take down a guy. Wrap him up if you're trying to tackle him.

**HKusp** · 12-21-2012, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by CoverD

I'm sorry Boulderraven, but I don't know what games you are watching then. I could give you a little leeway on the TDs given up, but he's done that same "shove" tackle crap that Deion Sanders used to do toward the end of his career just about every time I've seen him try to take down a guy. Wrap him up if you're trying to tackle him.

Actually, Deion Sanders was a better tackler at the end of his career then he was at the beginning. He was always shying way from contact in the early years. It wasn't until the last several years of his career, that he made it a point to be a better tackler because of the criticism he was receiving about him being a poor tackler.

**HoustonRaven** · 12-21-2012, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

FREE SAFETIES arent supposed to make many tackles, if they do its a real bad sign of other problems.

This is flat out silly and wholly inaccurate.

Some of the best tacklers in the league are safeties.

**saintmatthew** · 12-21-2012, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

Part of the job of being a safety is to make a saving tackle if the ball carrier made it past the front 7 and/or corners. I think it's a pretty big part of being a safety.

"Safeties are the last line of defense, and are thus expected to be sure tacklers. "

I always thought the name was self-evident. If all else fails, you got a buy back there for safety.

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-21-2012, 08:25 AM

Reed and Williams are the only two defensive players who've started every game

**Kevlar** · 12-21-2012, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

Sorry, I was getting an X-ray on my hand and hit the wrong quote!

^^^this for thatVVV

Come on, did you just type that bullshit? Ronnie Lott was one of the most FEARED tacklers in the history of the NFL... and a free safety.

Lott spent much of his career as a cornerback and strong safety. His tackle numbers were much higher at those positions than they were as FS.

I don't hink he is saying free safeties are bad tacklers, just that they get less opportunities because the strong safety is the one playing more run support. The FS is usually shadowing a TE or split back and won't be involved in most of the action.

**redmike34** · 12-21-2012, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

I havent seed Ed miss a tackle to create a TD yet this season, his pick vs the Steelers should of salted that game away, but the Oline/OC gave the ball right back.

Pretty sure he whiffed on Heyward-Bay in the Oakland game. Hit him instead of tackling him, DHB ran straight into the EZ, and Ed hurt himself in the process.

I love Ed Reed, and I hope he retires a Raven. That said, he just ain't what he once was. Sadly, he's far from the only one on the Ravens' roster...

**Ravens44** · 12-21-2012, 09:04 AM

The entire defense is not what it was just last year.
Our Dline, for the most part, has been getting blown back off the line of scrimmage into the linebackers all season.
It is impossible to play inside linebacker effectively in that situation.
From that, the entire defense breaks down.
Opposing offenses can run whenever they want, keeping THEIR defense off the field and rested.
Then our offense comes in and goes 3 and out...and our defense is right back on the field again.
The Denver game was our biggest deficiencies surfacing all at once.

Ed is not the player he was.
Neither is Ngata or Ray, and Suggs is playing hurt, too.
We have lost so much from last year that all our shortcomings have been magnified.

Ed cannot be himself back there when every quarterback has a running game and all day to throw.
Right now, this defense is a shell of it's former self due to losses in FA, decline in talent, and injuries and age.
But that is not the case on offense.
As a TEAM, the Ravens are in big trouble.
Focusing on one defensive player who is back 20 yards off the ball, at this point, is ridiculous.

**lowrider** · 12-21-2012, 09:21 AM

Done? Not sure about that, but I will say that Ed is not playing the way he has in the past. The tackling is terrible right now, which IMO the labrum injury has allot to do with that. Also the front seven has not been able to stop the run or get pressure on the QB, which puts allot more pressure on the DB's. I agree with the thought that our DB's this year are under a great deal of pressure to cover and to stop the run. It is not pretty and the whole D is responsible, not just one guy.