"Experts" pick Giants

**Terpsfan82** · 12-22-2012, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by elland

They are not as good in the most important disciplin, win football games.

Harbs and Joe have had a better W-L record, every single year, they have been in the league.

2008 Ravens 13-6, G 12-5
2009 Ravens 10-8, G 8-8
2010 Ravens 13-5, G 10-6
2011 Ravens 13-5, G 13-7.. but a SB, Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff!
2012 Ravens 9-5, G 8-6

Are you serious? They've won TWO SUPERBOWLS!!!!! THAT is the most important Stat to be measured by. Nobody gives a rat's ass about woulda coulda shoulda. Get 'er done.

**Haloti92** · 12-22-2012, 10:17 AM

The Ravens have won their last 12 home games against the NFC dating back 6 years. Last loss was in 2006 when we finished 13-3 but somehow lost at home to the 8-8 Carolina Panthers.

Let's hope we don't allow yet another good streak to end tomorrow.

**RavensRule2** · 12-22-2012, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Uli2001

This week, 10 out of 12 talking heads pick the Giants.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks

This is the Giants that were embarrassed last week, and has as many injuries as the Ravens. Am I missing something, or is this the usual New York ESPN bias?

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...,6436134.story

Looks like those anti-Raven and New York biased boys at the Sun feel the same way.

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-22-2012, 11:04 AM

Everyone expects the Giants to get on a roll now because that's what they did last year. Could it happen? Sure and most are picking them to win. But the Ravens at home are (usually) a different team. This isn't the Denver Broncos; this team is beatable. If the Ravens can play D like last week and muster some essence of an offense and run Rice, there is no reason they can't win it. Gmen have been giving up a lot of yardage on the ground and a lot of TDs through the air.

**JohnBKistler** · 12-22-2012, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by elland

They are not as good in the most important disciplin, win football games.

Harbs and Joe have had a better W-L record, every single year, they have been in the league.

2008 Ravens 13-6, G 12-5
2009 Ravens 10-8, G 8-8
2010 Ravens 13-5, G 10-6
2011 Ravens 13-5, G 13-7.. but a SB, Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff!
2012 Ravens 9-5, G 8-6

Originally Posted by Terpsfan82

Are you serious? They've won TWO SUPERBOWLS!!!!! THAT is the most important Stat to be measured by. Nobody gives a rat's ass about woulda coulda shoulda. Get 'er done.

None of that past history matters tomorrow.

**Kevlar** · 12-22-2012, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by JohnBKistler

None of that past history matters tomorrow.

Right, both teams are significantly different than they were when they were good.

**akashicrecorder** · 12-22-2012, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

The Ravens have played shit football for a month. Bernard Pollard said in an interview that the team has been exposed. Until they show something it's hard to pick them for any other reason than they are our favorite team

This.

I don't know why some of us are acting so indignant about doubt from the media.

**JMUpurkfool** · 12-22-2012, 02:40 PM

I don't understand why everyone is acting like the Giants are some great team that's gonna come whoop our ass. Their corners stink and they don't defend the run that well.

This should be a game we can win. It all comes down to protecting Joe. Joe can produce when he is protected. It was just two weeks ago that he threw 3 TD's in the first half of a game.

If we can run the ball effectively we will win. If not I don't see it. The key is Caldwell being willing to compromise extra receivers (Pierce, Leach, Rice, Pitta, Dickson) for extra blockers in the passing game.

**GaTechRavens** · 12-22-2012, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by akashicrecorder

This.

I don't know why some of us are acting so indignant about doubt from the media.

The problem is that you're being so one-sided about it. The Giants have collapsed too, yet a lot of people here try to pretend that they haven't.

**Kevlar** · 12-22-2012, 05:05 PM

The giants are big ern, and the ravens are going to get munsoned.

**Ravens75** · 12-22-2012, 05:56 PM

For everyone clamoring that the experts have jumped off the Ravens bandwagon because they've played shit football all season except for the first half of the first quarter of the first game of the season then why aren't the Giants and Steelers being treated the same way?

Both teams especially the Steelers have played pretty crappy all year but (cue Kevlar and company) they are champions and the Giants turn it on this time of year and the Steelers are unbeatable with Ben blah blah blah bullshit.

The Ravens have been to two AFC title games and to the playoffs each of the last 5 years and 6 of the last 7 largely with this same core. They've won big games and are proven so why aren't they being given some chance to succeed? Oh that's right the Steelers, Washington and Denver throttled them and showed that the Ravens belong in the bottom third of the league. Wait a minute, someone's telling me that the Ravens led by 10 in the fourth qtr. against Pitt and 8 in the final minutes against Washington. That can't be true but it is correct that Denver beat them so badly that the Ravens quit and said fuck the season, right?

The bottom line is this, the media will always lean towards the National and big market teams. As a Raven fan, I am not saying be a blind homer but realistically look at this team and at least given them a chance tomorrow versus completely flushing them down the toilet like the shit you dump in the porcelain commode in your house.

If you look at two of the last three games the Ravens killed themselves not the other team. Denver outclassed them and realistically the Ravens only had a small chance of winning that game against arguably the most complete team in the league led by arguably the greatest QB of all time. Fuck the Donks won 8 games with no QB to speak of last year. Now look at them.

The Ravens are what they are which is a good team that's horribly flawed on both sides of the ball but so is the other team they are facing on Sunday at M&T.

Now if you want to say the Ravens are going to the SB then I'd tell you to pass the weed cause it must be good.

**Boulderraven** · 12-22-2012, 06:45 PM

The Gnats aren't that good. They caught lightening in a bottle and benefited from a dropped punt by a backup in the NFCCG and a an overthrown Brady pass to WW in the SB. They caught ALL the breaks, its a game of inches. They are 17-13 over the past 2 years. Not great, but have been lucky.

**JohnBKistler** · 12-23-2012, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by JMUpurkfool

I don't understand why everyone is acting like the Giants are some great team that's gonna come whoop our ass. Their corners stink and they don't defend the run that well.

This should be a game we can win. It all comes down to protecting Joe. Joe can produce when he is protected. It was just two weeks ago that he threw 3 TD's in the first half of a game.

If we can run the ball effectively we will win. If not I don't see it. The key is Caldwell being willing to compromise extra receivers (Pierce, Leach, Rice, Pitta, Dickson) for extra blockers in the passing game.

Of their last 3 losses, the Ravens should have won 2 of them...only the Broncos game were they outclassed, and even there much of the damage was self-inflicted.

Yes, the Giants are a flawed team and very beatable...but that implies that the opponent makes enough plays, or more to the point, doesn't make that many mistakes on their own, to win.

And frankly, the Ravens have been far from that team for about a month now. Could that change today? Sure, I just wouldn't expect it to.

**Sirdowski** · 12-23-2012, 08:22 AM

Rich Eisen on game day morning:

"Joe Flacco has been a piñata behind that offensive line, he's also been a piñata for Ravens fans"

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**bacchys** · 12-23-2012, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by GaTechRavens

The problem is that you're being so one-sided about it. The Giants have collapsed too, yet a lot of people here try to pretend that they haven't.

They have. They've also put together some very impressive games against very good teams (Packers and 'Niners).

They're a very schizophrenic team. The Ravens are very banged up. It doesn't look good.

But I'm not waving the white flag. You still have to go out and play, and if they correct some things they definitely have a chance. In all three losses, there were big mental lapses on offense and defense that contributed to the loss. Reed and Johnson were caught gambling. Flacco's had his mistakes, and so has the rest of the offense.

On the bright side, I though Caldwell called a better game than Cameron has all year, especially given our o-line woes. Flacco was hurried and hit a lot in the first half against the Broncos, but he wasn't sacked. He had a lot more quick opportunities to get rid of the balll, which is why he wasn't sacked. In the second half, facing a big deficit and having to force things, the sacks picked up. But if the players do a better job executing what Caldwell was calling, the Ravens will be able to stay in the game.

If Flacco had put a little more air under that pass to Boldin and led him towards the pylon, that might have made it 10-7 Broncos with the Ravens getting the ball right back for the second half. It could have been a very different game.

When you're banged up this bad, it's even more imperative you play sound, fundamental, disciplined football. I hope Harbaugh and the coaching staff have been preaching that all week.

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-23-2012, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Sirdowski

Rich Eisen on game day morning:

"Joe Flacco has been a piñata behind that offensive line, he's also been a piñata for Ravens fans"

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USAToday article on which Team should take Tebow. "Baltimore Ravens - they already have a non-elite QB"

**Sirdowski** · 12-23-2012, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

USAToday article on which Team should take Tebow. "Baltimore Ravens - they already have a non-elite QB"

HA.

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**Uli2001** · 12-23-2012, 07:49 PM

It seems that the experts with their NY-tinted glasses could not see the obvious once again. The Giants are an average team that just happened to catch lightning in a bottle last January. The Giants are not as bad as they looked these past two weeks, but the Ravens are much better than they looked the past few weeks. And at home they are a much better team than the Giants.

**GOTA** · 12-23-2012, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Uli2001

It seems that the experts with their NY-tinted glasses could not see the obvious once again. The Giants are an average team that just happened to catch lightning in a bottle last January. The Giants are not as bad as they looked these past two weeks, but the Ravens are much better than they looked the past few weeks. And at home they are a much better team than the Giants.

All true but after last week I couldn't blame anyone for picking the Giants. The Ravens were that putrid against the Broncos. I don't think it has anything to do with a NY bias. If there was a bias it was a Super Bowl Champion bias.