Flacco Closing in on 4,000 yards.

**bacchys** · 12-24-2012, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

It doesn't matter, Joe will be judged on what he does in the postseason.

-Constantly preached by GOTA, and he's right.

Joe's going to be judged by what other people, and with a thumb on the scales.

If postseason play is the primary criteria, Peyton Manning sucks donkey balls and Little Brother is twice the QB he'll ever be.

**elland** · 12-24-2012, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

Joe wont get 4k, he isnt playing next week. But all those guys are all in the same boat. Not alot of great names on that list. Some of them have missed games as well. 4k isnt a big deal. Joe wont get it.

Harbaugh is our HC? Trust me Joe will be playing.. at least for the first 3 Q.

Will he get 4000 yards, that is more like a 50-50% scenario, and depends of what type of game this will be.

**SNAFU** · 12-24-2012, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

i doubt it, they put the NE game at 1pm and Denver at 4pm.

Actually, they moved the Miami--NE game to 4 pm. So, if the Ravens win, they'll get to see if NE chokes.

**Boulderraven** · 12-24-2012, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by elland

Harbaugh is our HC? Trust me Joe will be playing.. at least for the first 3 Q.

Will he get 4000 yards, that is more like a 50-50% scenario, and depends of what type of game this will be.

And if he gets hurt vs the team that leads the NFL in sacks and rattles his confidence before a playoff game? Doubt it. Bengal backups vs Raven backups bowl. He might get a series or two.

**seraph** · 12-24-2012, 07:57 AM

Passing yards care. I don't see anyone posting his yards per attempt which currently is the same from his 2009 season.

**goodandfast** · 12-24-2012, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by GOTA

Actually it's what the team does in the Post Season. However if the Ravens get to the Super Bowl Joe will get the money he's looking for.

It's crazy though how 4,000 yards means nothing anymore. It wasn't that long ago when breaking 3,000 put you in the top 5 in the league. It's sad how they've killed defense.

I'd argue that 4000 yards is a big deal for Flacco, even if it isn't a rare feat for top NFL QBs. For him to reach this mark despite his inconsistent play further reiterates the fact that the sky is the limit for J5.

**lowrider** · 12-24-2012, 08:16 AM

It's funny how some people forget so easily. I for one remember the years when 3k was a big deal here. Let me give you the list who never reached that 4k milestone here in Baltimore:

Harbaugh
Blake
Banks
Boller
Mitchell
Redmen
Grbac
McNair

So hell yes it's a big deal, but more importantly, it's wins and losses that matter the most. Joe has a remarkable record in that category. Unfortunately not many want to give him any credit, or they won't until he wins the big one.

**goodandfast** · 12-24-2012, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

And if he gets hurt vs the team that leads the NFL in sacks and rattles his confidence before a playoff game? Doubt it. Bengal backups vs Raven backups bowl. He might get a series or two.

Did they take him out in garbage time yesterday? Nope.

He'll play. Ed won't, Boldin won't, Ray Rice might not get many touches, but Flacco plays.

**Dade** · 12-24-2012, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

And if he gets hurt vs the team that leads the NFL in sacks and rattles his confidence before a playoff game? Doubt it. Bengal backups vs Raven backups bowl. He might get a series or two.

I wonder if your be around to eat crow when Joe is playing in the 2nd half.

**leachisabeast** · 12-24-2012, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by bacchys

Joe's going to be judged by what other people, and with a thumb on the scales.

If postseason play is the primary criteria, Peyton Manning sucks donkey balls and Little Brother is twice the QB he'll ever be.

Huh? Peyton Manning won a SB. Who cares. IMO it's not play off success unless you win the big one. I'd rather win a SB and go one and done for the next 4 years than constantly put up with AFCCG or divisional game losses every year.

**StingerNLG** · 12-24-2012, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by seraph

Passing yards care. I don't see anyone posting his yards per attempt which currently is the same from his 2009 season.

Actually I believe his 252.2 yards per game is currently his career high right now.

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**Coastergenius** · 12-24-2012, 09:30 AM

For all the crap that Flacco gets, he's closing in on 4,000 yards, and current has a 22-10 TD-INT ratio. Not too shabby.

**bacchys** · 12-24-2012, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Huh? Peyton Manning won a SB. Who cares. IMO it's not play off success unless you win the big one. I'd rather win a SB and go one and done for the next 4 years than constantly put up with AFCCG or divisional game losses every year.

Peyton Manning was carried to that Super Bowl by Bob Sanders. His "playoff performance" was mediocre at best that year. If we're to judge him by the standard you want to set for Flacco- who played well enough in the playoffs last year to put us in the Super Bowl- Peyton Manning is at best a mediocre quarterback who chokes in big games.

Shoot, I guess we can throw Marino on the list of not-good-enough QB's, too.

Players should be judged by their whole body of work, with consideration given to the context in which they play. We also shouldn't confuse team accomplishments with individual accomplishments: no single player ever won a Super Bowl.

**elland** · 12-24-2012, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Huh? Peyton Manning won a SB. Who cares. IMO it's not play off success unless you win the big one. I'd rather win a SB and go one and done for the next 4 years than constantly put up with AFCCG or divisional game losses every year.

Frankly I disagree. For me there is the regular seasons where I always want my team to play hard and playing meaningfull games in week 16-17. As much as I hate to fail in the POs, I hate even more seasons like 2005 and 2007!

And as for one and done 2006 would have hurt less, if we at least had won that Colts game.

Btw if Steelers can, so can we.

**TheFlacco** · 12-24-2012, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

i doubt it, they put the NE game at 1pm and Denver at 4pm. Plus, Bengals have nothing to gain by winning at all still 6th seed. Joe might see a quarter if that. Having a hail mary shot a 4th seed isnt worth playing your starters when you have an important game the next week. They will be game planning for the Colts all week this week and next week, not the Bengals. They know the Bengals and see them twice a year. It will be like the 4th preseason game.

The NE game is at 4. Having a hail mary shot at a 4th seed? First of all, we can do no worse than the 4 seed. The question is whether we get the 3 seed. If NE loses and we win, we would get the 3 seed...so I don't think that's exactly a "hail mary" scenario. That said, I'd much rather have to go back to Houston, then Denver. If Houston beats Indy this week, they would be the 1 seed. I don't think Indy is playing for anything this week...they're the 5 seed either way, right? So it would be pretty surprising if Houston didn't take the one seed. In summation, let's rest everybody and take the four seed and let NE go to Denver.

**StingerNLG** · 12-24-2012, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Huh? Peyton Manning won a SB. Who cares. IMO it's not play off success unless you win the big one. I'd rather win a SB and go one and done for the next 4 years than constantly put up with AFCCG or divisional game losses every year.

But how long did that take for Peyton? 12 years? I think that was his point.

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**pslholder96** · 12-24-2012, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

i doubt it, they put the NE game at 1pm and Denver at 4pm. Plus, Bengals have nothing to gain by winning at all still 6th seed. Joe might see a quarter if that. Having a hail mary shot a 4th seed isnt worth playing your starters when you have an important game the next week. They will be game planning for the Colts all week this week and next week, not the Bengals. They know the Bengals and see them twice a year. It will be like the 4th preseason game.

The NE game was moved to 4 pm

**leachisabeast** · 12-24-2012, 10:21 AM

Yes but this is Joe Flacco not Peyton Manning or Dan Marino, those guys are HOFers, and are considered to be the best QB's never to win a SB (that was what they said about Peyton before he won one), when has anyone even put Flacco up there for the "best QB to never win a SB" statement?

**Haloti92** · 12-24-2012, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by bacchys

Joe's going to be judged by what other people, and with a thumb on the scales.

If postseason play is the primary criteria, Peyton Manning sucks donkey balls and Little Brother is twice the QB he'll ever be.

Peyton has the 10th best playoff QB rating of all time. Eli has the 9th. Brady the 12th. Brett Favre the 13th. Steve Young the 14th. Big Ben the 19th.

Not sure about "sucking donkey balls."

**GOTA** · 12-24-2012, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by goodandfast

I'd argue that 4000 yards is a big deal for Flacco, even if it isn't a rare feat for top NFL QBs. For him to reach this mark despite his inconsistent play further reiterates the fact that the sky is the limit for J5.

Matt Stafford has 4,700 yards with a game to go and a 79 QB rating. Yards just don't mean much anymore.