Joe 'Manned Up'

[leachisabeast]

You mean like in the playoffs last year?

One game.

Against one of the worse passing defenses in the league too.

[wickedsolo]

One game.

Against one of the worse passing defenses in the league too.

Oh, Joe didn't play well in the Texans game either? My bad...guess those two TD passes don't count then.

[StingerNLG]

Oh, Joe didn't play well in the Texans game either? My bad...guess those two TD passes don't count then.

Wicked, it's just not worth the effort man.


For those that missed it, as ASB and others have said here, this isn't about his play. They asked him all week leading up to the Giants game about the offense, and he said it all starts with him.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/...d-475ee3e0558e

On how much of the offense’s struggles he puts on himself: “As much of it as I can – all of it. It starts with the quarterback, and that’s the position that is looked at. You have to go look at yourself and see what you can do better in order to make everybody else around you a little bit better and in order to get our team to win.”

He didn't do the Peyton-Manning-After-Losing-a-Playoff-Game bit and blame the OL, or the coaching, or Ray Rice, or anyone else. He took it.

[leachisabeast]

Oh, Joe didn't play well in the Texans game either? My bad...guess those two TD passes don't count then.

He wasn't great, I thought we where lucky to win that game. Two of his TD's came from turnovers in the Texans own red zone too.

[wickedsolo]

One game.

Against one of the worse passing defenses in the league too.

He wasn't great, I thought we where lucky to win that game. Two of his TD's came from turnovers in the Texans own red zone too.

Goal Posts moved...CHECK.

[ActualSpamBot]

He wasn't great, I thought we where lucky to win that game. Two of his TD's came from turnovers in the Texans own red zone too.

This is what people are talking about when we say you dismiss Flacco's accomplishments. He was the only offensive player to show up that game. Took a massive beating from start to finish. Got zero help from the run game.

Got it done in the clutch though.

But somehow, 2TDs zero picks and a QB rating around 100 is luck. Bullshit. Give the man the credit he earns.

[leachisabeast]

Goal Posts moved...CHECK.

Point is, when the run game isn't effective, Joe does struggle most of the time, as does most QB's in the NFL. Again, I don't get why people get offended by any type of critique about Joe, Tom Brady struggles without an effective run game at times, I don't see anyone willing to argue with that point around here.

[Justlovemybirds]

He wasn't great, I thought we where lucky to win that game. Two of his TD's came from turnovers in the Texans own red zone too.

Haha I'm pretty certain this is what people are talking about when they say that when it comes to Flacco's success, it's of everyone's doing but his own.


Points of off turnovers or not, Rice had a game similar to the 49ers one, no where to run.
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[HoustonRaven]

He wasn't great, I thought we where lucky to win that game. Two of his TD's came from turnovers in the Texans own red zone too.

That's EXACTLY the point Sting and others are trying to make.

[leachisabeast]

This is what people are talking about when we say you dismiss Flacco's accomplishments. He was the only offensive player to show up that game. Took a massive beating from start to finish. Got zero help from the run game.

Got it done in the clutch though.

But somehow, 2TDs zero picks and a QB rating around 100 is luck. Bullshit. Give the man the credit he earns.

I guess we should just forget about Jacoby Jones fumbling the ball, or the terrible Ed Reed picking off a pass and essentially saving us the game.

[redmike34]

One game.

Against one of the worse passing defenses in the league too.

AND the Ravens didn't win.

I just don't get the argument that 'Flacco outplayed Brady' in that game. What does that even matter if the TEAM doesn't win? Using that same argument, Philip Rivers outplayed Flacco this year in SD (Rivers finished with a higher QB rating, anyway).

It also ignores the fact that Brady sacrificed his body (got speared in the back by Lewis) on a QB sneak to score a TD.

Outplayed Brady? Doesn't look like it to me.

[leachisabeast]

AND the Ravens didn't win.

I just don't get the argument that 'Flacco outplayed Brady' in that game. What does that even matter if the TEAM doesn't win? Using that same argument, Philip Rivers outplayed Flacco this year in SD (Rivers finished with a higher QB rating, anyway).

It also ignores the fact that Brady sacrificed his body (got speared in the back by Lewis) on a QB sneak to score a TD.

Outplayed Brady? Doesn't look like it to me.

Ravens had the 3rd ranked defense, Patriots had the 31st ranked defense. Yet people are throwing accusations out to me that I dismiss flacco's ''achievements'' yet everyone forgets about how great this defense has been until this year. Let's just forget about the team when Flacco wins, but blame everyone else when we lose.

[ActualSpamBot]

I guess we should just forget about Jacoby Jones fumbling the ball, or the terrible Ed Reed picking off a pass and essentially saving us the game.

For fuck's sake. No you're right. The other team fucking up and our defense did it. Joe should have just stayed home as I'm sure any average fucker could have posted a two score day against that pass rush.

Everyday I thank God that people like you aren't in charge of the Ravens and Joe will be kept here instead of being replaced by Alex Smith.

[ActualSpamBot]

AND the Ravens didn't win.

I just don't get the argument that 'Flacco outplayed Brady' in that game. What does that even matter if the TEAM doesn't win? Using that same argument, Philip Rivers outplayed Flacco this year in SD (Rivers finished with a higher QB rating, anyway).

It also ignores the fact that Brady sacrificed his body (got speared in the back by Lewis) on a QB sneak to score a TD.

Outplayed Brady? Doesn't look like it to me.

I guess Trent Dilfer outplayed Marino over there careers huh?

[JMUpurkfool]

Joe Flacco had a good day against the Texans in the playoffs last year. His WRs were not open, at all. His offensive line did not protect him, at all. He made a few great throws that many other QBs couldn't make that helped us win that game.

[leachisabeast]

For fuck's sake. No you're right. The other team fucking up and our defense did it. Joe should have just stayed home as I'm sure any average fucker could have posted a two score day against that pass rush.

Everyday I thank God that people like you aren't in charge of the Ravens and Joe will be kept here instead of being replaced by Alex Smith.

This is the prefect example of how someone is overly emotionally connected to Joe Flacco. If Haloti Ngata misses a tackle, and someone on this board calls him out on it, he will most likely get a bunch of people agreeing. Yet when someone says one bad thing about Joe, you get keyboard warriors like this yet again throwing out false accusations.

[redmike34]

I guess Trent Dilfer outplayed Marino over there careers huh?

He did when it mattered. edit: Though I must confess, whatever your point might be is completely lost on me. I'm not talking about careers--I'm talking about the fallacy that exists around here that 'Flacco outplayed Brady' in the AFCCG...

[ActualSpamBot]

This is the prefect example of how someone is overly emotionally connected to Joe Flacco. If Haloti Ngata misses a tackle, and someone on this board calls him out on it, he will most likely get a bunch of people agreeing. Yet when someone says one bad thing about Joe, you get keyboard warriors like this yet again throwing out false accusations.

Bullshit. You confuse flair for creative profanity for emotion and my insistence on giving CREDIT where it's due with blind allegiance. I have and will continue to say that Flacco is far from perfect. What I will not do is piss on his successes and credit luck and another team's fuck ups for them. If you really think that what you're doing to Joe's career is the equivalent of pointing out a single missed tackle, then you know less about football than I do about cricket. Which is to say nothing.

[HoustonRaven]

I'm talking about the fallacy that exists around here that 'Flacco outplayed Brady' in the AFCCG...

Umm. Wat?

Since when is that "a fallacy that exists around here"?

He DID outplay Brady in that game. It's not even close.

[JMUpurkfool]

This is the prefect example of how someone is overly emotionally connected to Joe Flacco. If Haloti Ngata misses a tackle, and someone on this board calls him out on it, he will most likely get a bunch of people agreeing. Yet when someone says one bad thing about Joe, you get keyboard warriors like this yet again throwing out false accusations.

If you think Alex Smith can do what Joe has here than you aren't "saying one bad thing". You are saying that Joe Flacco is hardly a starter in the NFL.