Black Monday

**Tyrian** · 12-27-2012, 04:10 PM

The Ravens may be heading to a season of cultural change, particularly if these are the last times we see Reed and/or Lewis in purple. However, as the Ravens march to another playoff berth, a lot of franchises are heading to their own crossroads this offseason, particularly on the coaching and GM side of things.

The Ravens have also had a lot of changes that have been forced upon them by success. Under Harbaugh, we're already on our fourth DC. 2nd OC. Others have been poached to be co-ordinators elsewhere, front office been hired elsewhere... How it goes. Even firings.

That said, could the Ravens have a season of not having being poached off? The front office looks set - suitors after DeCosta have been warded off, it would seem. There's always a possibility that a team could go after someone like Hortiz, but there seems enough buzz around front office guys elsewhere.

On the coaching side, having an older guy on the DC means less of a chance of him being poached. Of course, having a relative down year doesn't help your stock if that's what you go for. Imagine a guy like Monachino having success as a Ravens' DC? He'd last five seconds before getting a HC shot. Caldwell's perhaps the only variable, though that depends more on his own performance than anything else. Another shot at HC may be more in a year's time if ever. Is there any 'buzz' around any of our other coaches?

There may be significant player turnover as always, perhaps even seismic shift in player culture and sure, there are still some positioning coaches that would have many on here chipping in for a farewell party, but maybe for once a bit of stability?

**JustaslowZ06** · 12-27-2012, 04:15 PM

I'd rather have Pees go do something else. Just saying.

Edit: Everyone and their mother new DelRio was getting fired. The biscuit and Co need to jump off a cliff for not bringing him back instead of this ass clown they hired.

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-27-2012, 04:21 PM

Agreed; I'd rather start next year with new coordinators, although jury is still out on whether Caldwell could be OC

**MD Boy** · 12-27-2012, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

I'd rather have Pees go do something else. Just saying.

Edit: Everyone and their mother new DelRio was getting fired. The biscuit and Co need to jump off a cliff for not bringing him back instead of this ass clown they hired.

I was a huge fan of bringing back a familiar face in, Mike Nolan.

He's doing a great job down in Atlanta.

**Tucker: M&T Sec 527** · 12-27-2012, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrian

The Ravens may be heading to a season of cultural change, particularly if these are the last times we see Reed and/or Lewis in purple. However, as the Ravens march to another playoff berth, a lot of franchises are heading to their own crossroads this offseason, particularly on the coaching and GM side of things...
There may be significant player turnover as always, perhaps even seismic shift in player culture and sure, there are still some positioning coaches that would have many on here chipping in for a farewell party, but maybe for once a bit of stability?

It would seem that Jerry Rosburg (sp?) is safe from the axe. After some seasons of underperformance on special teams, they were a strength this season. How much is due to player acquisition (Jacoby Jones, Corey Graham, Justin Tucker to name a few) vs. coaching can be debated.

Injuries, departures (Grubbs), petulance (McKinnie)and aging (Birk, Williams) challenged the OL, where we were breaking in sometimes 2 rookies each game. He's an easy (i.e. drinky) target but Moeller (?) the OL coach is one of those that folks would probably chip in for a farewell kegger. But unless we collapse in Festivus he'll probably get retained (and certainly is no threat to be "poached").

**LukeDaniel** · 12-27-2012, 04:40 PM

I'd like to see a new DC, but I don't expect that to happen. Other than seeing Reed and Lewis head into the sunset, I don't expect a lot of changes with respect to our roster.

**esmd** · 12-27-2012, 04:45 PM

I think you guys are being unfair to Pees. The defense has dealt with a lot this year starting with FA defections and diminished performance from age/injury. Pees has had a short hand all year long.

**SHORTTRACK** · 12-27-2012, 04:47 PM

Nolan nor Del Rio ever worked w/ John's daddy which left them out of contention

**Carey** · 12-27-2012, 04:53 PM

Nothing wrong with Pees since he moved to the booth, im curious as to why people see Del Rio as an upgrade

**lowrider** · 12-27-2012, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by esmd

I think you guys are being unfair to Pees. The defense has dealt with a lot this year starting with FA defections and diminished performance from age/injury. Pees has had a short hand all year long.

I agree. For a while I was on the "don't like Pees" bandwagon but given what he has had to overcome this year with all the injuries, I'm now thinking he gets a second shot at this. We'll see how things play out in the playoffs, but for now I would say he comes back next year.

**iggyman555** · 12-27-2012, 05:02 PM

i dont like pees but i think he deserves a second chance with a healthy roster

**JoeCool5** · 12-27-2012, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

I'd rather have Pees go do something else. Just saying.

Edit: Everyone and their mother new DelRio was getting fired. The biscuit and Co need to jump off a cliff for not bringing him back instead of this ass clown they hired.

Del Rio had never been a D-coordinator before. And while Pees hasn't been stellar, he's had to deal with multiple injuries to key players.

**Corey** · 12-27-2012, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by SHORTTRACK

Nolan nor Del Rio ever worked w/ John's daddy which left them out of contention

Is it really so hard to want to trust your coordinators? Nolan and Del Rio are also former head coaches, I wonder how many people would have been calling for one of them to step in for Harbs during that 3 game losing streak?

Harbs is protecting his own ass. If the Ravens want to axe him they have to start over. Nothing wrong with that. Some people might even say its a smart business move.

**JoeCool5** · 12-27-2012, 05:18 PM

Sorry, Del Rio was d-coordinator of Carolina before he took the Jax head coaching gig. Even so, I doubt he would be doing much better than Pees in dealing with all of the injuries we have had.

**PGCountyRaven85** · 12-27-2012, 05:26 PM

I was hoping Monachino got a shot. He might've brought some of that Italian/aggressive swagger that left the Ravens defense when Pagano left.

**Boulderraven** · 12-27-2012, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by esmd

I think you guys are being unfair to Pees. The defense has dealt with a lot this year starting with FA defections and diminished performance from age/injury. Pees has had a short hand all year long.

I agree, the ONLY healthy starter all year was Kruger.

**Mista T** · 12-27-2012, 06:57 PM

Some of the names being tossed around are very attractive. If I were Steve B, I would hire Norv Turner and Jack del Rio or Dick Nolan in a hearbeat.

Defending Pees in the face of the worst defensive performance in Ravens history? No thanks ... he does not deserve a 2nd chance.

**leachisabeast** · 12-27-2012, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Mista T

Some of the names being tossed around are very attractive. If I were Steve B, I would hire Norv Turner and Jack del Rio or Dick Nolan in a hearbeat.

Defending Pees in the face of the worst defensive performance in Ravens history? No thanks ... he does not deserve a 2nd chance.

Have you seen some of the starting players on that defense this year? A ton of undrafted players or ''special team aces''.

**RavenScallywag** · 12-27-2012, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85

I was hoping Monachino got a shot. He might've brought some of that Italian/aggressive swagger that left the Ravens defense when Pagano left.

I second this, not sure if he's had as big a role this year, but last year, he was ALL over the SoundFX Ravens v 49ers footage, calling out stuff from the booth. Sounded like Pagano's right hand guy.

I think the only way Pees goes is if they are bringing a big name to replace him. Nolan, Rex Ryan, maybe Del Rio (that one to me is least likely). Otherwise, Pees gets at least another year to prove himself.

I think the next two weeks will truly determine Caldwell's chances. After the Denver game, we were mostly sure he wasn't going to work out. After the Giants game, we're mostly sure he's the answer to our prayers. The truth is somewhere in the middle, and two weeks against two decent Ds should craft a better response.

**JustaslowZ06** · 12-27-2012, 10:42 PM

Lol @ people defending Pees just because of injuries. Sure I'd give him a pass if we slid a few spots but we slid 2 dozen. Sorry injuries don't account for all that.

In VERY recent years another DC had Reed out for half a year, Ray out for a half dozen games(well 4 but he still wasnt at full speed the next 2) an age'd JJ and another age'd guy in Redding. Mix in Ellerbe not playing up to the level he has this year and is capable of, a couple of no name or rookie CB's and well you get the point. Sorry Pees got handed a top 10 defense at WORST with a ton of young talent to mold with aid from Ray and Ed and failed miserably. Early in the season the only guy out was Suggs.

Sorry again, no pass from me. But I will agree the front office will prob retain him unfortunatly.