Black Monday

**wickedsolo** · 01-05-2013, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by JohnBKistler

What's he going to do in week 3 after Vick has been hurt?

Find out if Brandon Weeden can run.

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**Carey** · 01-05-2013, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

Any team that want's Vick, better talk to us about a certain backup we have at QB because he won't last a whole season. So it's either adjust(like the Eagles have constantly had to do) or bank on not winning alot of games because you have to switch offensive philosphies constantly through the year. Than how do you build a team around that?

I just don't see Vick having many suitors when the Igles cut ties with him. Him and Tebow might make a good combo somewhere. At least you have something you can build around.

Oh trust me, i dont disagree, im merely pointing out the only way i see him working for someone as a starter. At the same time, regardless of opinion on him we've seen some pretty dreadful QB's start games this year, someone will give Vick a shot.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 01-05-2013, 12:32 PM

Rivera retained in CAR.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/88...era-third-year

**BigPlayReceiver** · 01-05-2013, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

Nflnetwork reporting Chip Kelly close to a deal with Believeland......

Cool. I'm looking forward to the AFCN discussion being something more than "the rivalry", defense, Ben and future HOFers.

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-05-2013, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

Cool. I'm looking forward to the AFCN discussion being something more than "the rivalry", defense, Ben and future HOFers.

It would be interesting to see how his offense works in the NFL. And what quarterback(s) he gets to run it. Honestly in Oregon he keeps plugging in QBs and it doesn't seem to change much

**GOTA** · 01-05-2013, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

Rivera retained in CAR.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/88...era-third-year

Good. Asking a team to completely turn it around in just 2 years is asking too much. Especially when you have a GM who keeps paying running backs huge money. Let the knew GM work with Rivera for a year and then make a decision. Giving a coach 3 years is not unreasonable.

**JustaslowZ06** · 01-05-2013, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

Rivera retained in CAR.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/88...era-third-year

Bummer, would've loved him as DC.

As for Chip Kelley going to the Browns, I think thats best case scenario for us. They continue to be a non factor in the division.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 01-06-2013, 10:44 AM

BUF's boards seem to be neutral about it. Surprised, but not excited...not PO'd either.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/88...ge-sources-say

**GOTA** · 01-06-2013, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

BUF's boards seem to be neutral about it. Surprised, but not excited...not PO'd either.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/88...ge-sources-say

Marone did a lot with mixed talent. He's put a good amount of players in the NFL too. I'm sure the Bills fans are tired of never getting the big name coach but this could be a very good move.

**sailorsam** · 01-06-2013, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

I just don't see Vick having many suitors when the Igles cut ties with him. Him and Tebow might make a good combo somewhere. At least you have something you can build around.

respectfully disagree. that combo sounds like 5-11.
don't see a real good qb in draft this year so not a good time to rebuild.

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-06-2013, 09:48 PM

Chip Kelly will stay at Oregon, no surprise to me. Too much Nike money there

**MarkS** · 01-06-2013, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

Chip Kelly will stay at Oregon, no surprise to me. Too much Nike money there

Annnnnnddddd...once again the Browns, to save face, try to spin it like they walked away first. It's '99 all over again.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...om-chip-kelly/

**iggyman555** · 01-06-2013, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by MarkS

Annnnnnddddd...once again the Browns, to save face, try to spin it like they walked away first. It's '99 all over again.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...om-chip-kelly/

what happened in 99

**B-more Ravor** · 01-06-2013, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by iggyman555

what happened in 99

The Browns wanted Billick and were ready to close the deal, but when Billick said he wanted to interview in Baltimore, they told him if he did, they would pull their offer. They tried to strong arm him and he didn't blink. Once he walked, the Browns tried to act like they never really wanted him as their HC and that it was their choice, not Billick's.

Then, Carmen Policy went out of his way to badmouth Billick - even while they were saying that they really didn't want him.

As Mark said........spin, spin, spin

Ah, good times......

**MarkS** · 01-06-2013, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by iggyman555

what happened in 99

True what B-more said. Some of the info is included here:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...rowns_coaches/
http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1999/Bi...earch;Display_

The Cliff notes are:
Brian Billick was considered to be the Browns' top candidate for the HC job. They had interviewed him earlier, but couldn't actually offer him the job until after the Vikings season ended. When Minnesota lost their playoff game, Carmen Policy dispached Dwight Clark that same night (on Lerner's private jet) to fly to Minnesota, pick up Billick, and fly him back to Cleveland to sign him to a contract.

Billick had an interview with Modell scheduled for that Tuesday, and informed Clark that he wasn't willing to make a final decision until after talking with the Ravens. It was reported that the conversation became somewhat heated. Clark flew home alone, and the next day, Carmen Policy issued a press release stating that Billick was no longer a candidate for the Browns job.

God, you shoulda heard Gary, our resident troll back on the USENET boards, twist himself in knots trying to explain why Billick couldn't POSSIBLY be a good coaching candidate, if he didn't have the common sense to realize what a VASTLY superior coaching opportunity the Browns' HC job was, rather than the Ravens', LOL. As B-more said, "good times, good times".

**JohnBKistler** · 01-07-2013, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by B-more Ravor

Then, Carmen Policy went out of his way to badmouth Billick - even while they were saying that they really didn't want him.

As Mark said........spin, spin, spin

Ah, good times......

Yes they were, in addition to "the logic of his logic", don't forget:

> The Browns will beat the 16-30-1 record of the Ravens' first 3 years...
> The Browns will win the SB before the Ravens...
> Antonio Langham was a great CB and the Ravens made a mistake letting him go...
> Rod Woodson is over-the-hill and washed up...
> Jamal "Worley" Lewis is injury prone and will be a bust...
> The Ravens defense is not that good...

As B-More said...good times and memories from the early message boards.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 01-07-2013, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by MarkS

Annnnnnddddd...once again the Browns, to save face, try to spin it like they walked away first. It's '99 all over again.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...om-chip-kelly/

The more things change, the more they stay the same (for the Browns anyway).

Glad they're in our division though; it's nice to know you can count on 2 wins every season.

**Justlovemybirds** · 01-08-2013, 07:02 PM

Cowboys fire the other Ryan

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...red-in-dallas/

Can't say I saw that coming.

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-08-2013, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds

Cowboys fire the other Ryan

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...red-in-dallas/

Can't say I saw that coming.

wow that's out of left field. They had a lot of injuries but the defense let them down time and again. Romo took a lot of the blame (and not saying he didn't deserve the critics) but they had the lead in a lot of those games and couldn't hold.

Now will they fire the GM?