Black Monday

**Captain Offense** · 12-29-2012, 06:30 PM

The other question about the small sample size for Caldwell is how much he is using new parts of the playbook that teams will adjust to defend. Using the middle of the field more is successful if teams do not think you will do it. Once they get the idea that you will, they can adjust. Whether Caldwell adjusts as Playoff caliber teams do is still an open question.
Let it play out and see how things develop and who is out there and interested.

**leachisabeast** · 12-29-2012, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

For one, Cam did that earlier this year against the Patriots.

I'm not saying exclude Caldwell from that position, and he should have a spot on the staff either way. But to act like he has the OC job sowed up after one game against one of the worst defenses in the NFL would not be smart at all IMHO. Even if they do well from here on out, it's way too small of a sample size to give him the job.

Have him interview for it if he wants it (and frankly, if the stories about him suggesting Hostler or another coach call the plays are true, I don't know that it's really something that important to him), and bring in a couple other guys as well.

If Caldwell is the best guy for the job, then he should be hired. But don't tie your hands this soon with such a small sample size.

If he calls a great gameplan through out the play offs, the Ravens will keep him.

**Jsmoove** · 12-29-2012, 08:17 PM

Pees gets no love he needs to go, at the start of the year Suggs was the only man hurt and its not like Pees did not have a full training camp to come up with schemes that would put guys in situations to succeed. Sorry he does not get a pass.

**leachisabeast** · 12-29-2012, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

Pees gets no love he needs to go, at the start of the year Suggs was the only man hurt and its not like Pees did not have a full training camp to come up with schemes that would put guys in situations to succeed. Sorry he does not get a pass.

We had no pass rush before Suggs got back, what can you do as a DC with no players who can get to the QB? The Dline has regressed from last year, Ngata has played hurt up to this point, and Terrence Cody has been AWFUL. McPhee has been injured all season, and it took a few weeks for Arthur Jones to get on a hot streak. Plus Webb has been lost, Ray Lewis has been out for most the year, and a bunch of the LB's have regressed, mainly McClain.

Thank god Ellerbe has shown promise and great developmental and improvement, or our LB core would have been a complete mess.

I do agree though somewhat, I'm just not sure if Pees is the right fit for these players.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 12-29-2012, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

If he calls a great gameplan through out the play offs, the Ravens will keep him.

Not saying they won't or shouldn't be, but if they don't interview other candidates because of a 3-4 game sample size, they are stupid.

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-29-2012, 08:55 PM

Agreed, Caldwell should be one candidate (assuming OC is a role he wants) but the Ravens have to consider the big picture here and put a plan in place for the next several years.

What kind of system do they want to fit their players and the division? It's a big decision and I believe they'll weigh several options and candidates.

**sailorsam** · 12-30-2012, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by gretzky_scores

How about Rex Ryan as DC!

My nightmare is Pigsburgh forcing LeBeau to retire and taking Rex as their DC. owie!
...but I think Rex is safe for another year (though he might look around at his situation and leave on his own, while his reputation is still good, or make demands to force mgt to dump him).

**Corey** · 12-30-2012, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by sailorsam

My nightmare is Pigsburgh forcing LeBeau to retire and taking Rex as their DC. owie!
...but I think Rex is safe for another year (though he might look around at his situation and leave on his own, while his reputation is still good, or make demands to force mgt to dump him).

The Rooney's would never put up with Rex's shit. They wouldn't invite that circus into their locker room.

**Ravenswintitle** · 12-30-2012, 02:08 PM

LeBeau already confirmed he will return next year

**Jsmoove** · 12-30-2012, 03:28 PM

Charlie batch, cody cousins and mike vick beat us..that alone should get pees fired.

**RavenScallywag** · 12-30-2012, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

Charlie batch, cody cousins and mike vick beat us..that alone should get pees fired.

Who is cody cousins?

You mean Kirk Cousins.

**RavenScallywag** · 12-30-2012, 03:32 PM

Now that our game is over...I'm going to "enjoy" the next couple days, watching teams that did worse than us blow it all up and start over.

Now going to think about our own situation, which is just as close to some of these "blow it up" teams.

**Jsmoove** · 12-30-2012, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

Who is cody cousins?

You mean Kirk Cousins.

my point exactly

**GOTA** · 12-30-2012, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

Now that our game is over...I'm going to "enjoy" the next couple days, watching teams that did worse than us blow it all up and start over.

Now going to think about our own situation, which is just as close to some of these "blow it up" teams.

The Colts blew it up and started over and they're already back. It would be very ugly if the Ravens lost to that rebuilding team in Baltimore next week.

**The Excellector** · 12-30-2012, 04:24 PM

Injuries shouldn't have much to do with why he had our press CBs playing ten yards off of the ball this season. An injury to Suggs shouldn't explain why he can't put together some blitz packages to create pressure.

**The Excellector** · 12-30-2012, 04:25 PM

Pees just has a bend-but-don't-break style. In New England, it worked with an offense that lit up the scoreboard and that style was accepted. Here, even if the offense lights up the scoreboard, that style will not be accepted, because that is not Ravens defense.

**Corey** · 12-30-2012, 04:28 PM

PFT believes that there could be as many as 10 head coaching changes this week. The Ravens have atleast a week before they can get in on the game, an even longer wait if we beat the Colts next week. Do you folks really think we are going to get any quality people in here if we fire Caldwell and/or Pees? All the good candidates will either get HC options or get scooped up by teams not in the playoffs.

**Jsmoove** · 12-30-2012, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

Pees just has a bend-but-don't-break style. In New England, it worked with an offense that lit up the scoreboard and that style was accepted. Here, even if the offense lights up the scoreboard, that style will not be accepted, because that is not Ravens defense.

hey man some people here like that crap pees is putting out there, not me thats not the Ravens defense, i agree with injuries and talent pool arguement but it shouldn't buy him a pass not blitz vick, or 3 man goaline rush against 5th round rookie QB or letting charlie batch and 9th stealers Oline go down the field 80yrds for a TD or havin 6 foot corners playing 113yrds off the ball. No stunts, no overloads, barely any zone blitzing, no kind of creative disguises.