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    They showed the replay ad naseum in the stadium.

    50 was on top of it and Yanda came in. Once Yanda touched him, it was Colts ball.

    Can someone post a clip? They must have shown that replay four times and there was little doubt amongst the fans.
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    Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    They showed the replay ad naseum in the stadium.

    50 was on top of it and Yanda came in. Once Yanda touched him, it was Colts ball.

    Can someone post a clip? They must have shown that replay four times and there was little doubt amongst the fans.
    yanda wasnt even close when #50 jumped on it

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201301...ghts&tab=recap

    Watch: Colts vs Ravens highlights
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  3. #75

    Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    They showed the replay ad naseum in the stadium.

    50 was on top of it and Yanda came in. Once Yanda touched him, it was Colts ball.

    Can someone post a clip? They must have shown that replay four times and there was little doubt amongst the fans.
    The one angle they showed on TV, it squirted forward out of his hands and Yanda got his on it, the defender never got a firm grip on the ball.




  4. #76

    Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    They showed the replay ad naseum in the stadium.

    50 was on top of it and Yanda came in. Once Yanda touched him, it was Colts ball.

    Can someone post a clip? They must have shown that replay four times and there was little doubt amongst the fans.
    It looked to us from the sideline camera that it was being juggled by #50 when Yanda came in. It wasn't like the Colt defender covered the ball up.




  5. #77

    Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game

    Don't worry, two authors on that site expect him to officiate an even more important game (one thinks divisional round, other thinks conference championship):
    http://www.footballzebras.com/2013/01/02/6119/




  6. #78

    Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game

    BTW, here is the defenseless receiver rule:

    http://nflcommunications.com/2011/12...seless-player/

    And the reason this call, like some of the others is bad is this:

    (1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and

    (2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.

    Note: The provisions of (2) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on an opponent.
    Pollard did not violate either rule. He did not forcibly hit his neck or head with his helmet. That contact came because the receiver's head reacted to his body getting hit by Pollard's shoulder. Nor did Pollard lower his head and hit the receiver with either the crown or forehead part of his helmet.

    This penalty was a judgment call by the official, and the wrong one.

    I will add only this. I think next year, whoever is coaching defense needs to stress player wrapping their arms around the player instead of just shouldering them. That way the provision of a "conventional" tackle negates all this bullshit.

    But Pollard's hit was clean, legal, and should not have been called.




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    Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    They showed the replay ad naseum in the stadium.

    50 was on top of it and Yanda came in. Once Yanda touched him, it was Colts ball.

    Can someone post a clip? They must have shown that replay four times and there was little doubt amongst the fans.
    You don't always have to be politically correct. Just saying...

    I had the same view as you from the stadium and Carey sucked ass today. you can say it...nothing will happen.
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    Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    BTW, here is the defenseless receiver rule:

    http://nflcommunications.com/2011/12...seless-player/

    And the reason this call, like some of the others is bad is this:



    Pollard did not violate either rule. He did not forcibly hit his neck or head with his helmet. That contact came because the receiver's head reacted to his body getting hit by Pollard's shoulder. Nor did Pollard lower his head and hit the receiver with either the crown or forehead part of his helmet.

    This penalty was a judgment call by the official, and the wrong one.

    I will add only this. I think next year, whoever is coaching defense needs to stress player wrapping their arms around the player instead of just shouldering them. That way the provision of a "conventional" tackle negates all this bullshit.

    But Pollard's hit was clean, legal, and should not have been called.
    The "conventional tackle" exception only applies to rule 2, not rule 1.

    So, even if Pollard had wrapped his arms around the guy, they could still flag him as he "broke" rule 1, not rule 2.**

    **technically, as he didn't forcibly hit the WR's head, he shouldn't have been flagged whether he wraps him up or not, because he didn't break rule 1 either, as Stinger pointed out




  9. #81

    Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game

    The reason why Carey was awful today is because he wanted the Colts to cover the spread.




  10. #82

    Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game

    Here is the only clip I could find of the non-recovery, as well as one writer's opinion.http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...2415--nfl.html




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    Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game

    some pretty questionable calls today; glad it didn't come back to haunt us
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  12. #84

    Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game

    What the hell?

    If there is a full collision, it is a forcible hit to the head. With the violence of that collision any part of his upper body hitting Wayne is going to be forcible.

    You are arguing intention.

    Intention doesn't matter.

    When he launched into Wayne, his helmet hit Wayne's.

    He will in all likelyhood be fined and even Pollard knows it and said so to a reporter.

    Why do you constantly hear defensive players complaining about offensive guys lowering their heads when getting fined?

    It's because the league made that rule so that none of that other "intent" or "mistake" stuff is taken into account and they completely remove the "judgemental" stuff out of the officials hands.

    No defenseless receiver personal foul is a judgement call. Either the ref sees contact to the head or he doesn't. The only way the ref would have been wrong in this case is if no part of Pollard's body hit Wayne in the head.
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