Our boy Pretty Flacco or Tony Romo?

**RavensQB** · 01-04-2013, 09:21 PM

Someone should just QUIT while they are WAY behind!!!!

**RavenScallywag** · 01-04-2013, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by LouisianaRaven

This is how I view quarterbacks: great ones can single handedly carry a team while really good ones can do their part on offense. Flacco is a really good quarterback but not great. He wasn't the reason we lost to the Patriots but wasn't able to just carry us. Great quarterbacks are HOF players. Those guys don't come around often. Good quarterbacks can win Super Bowls so I'm happy with Flacco. Romo, on the other hand, shows flashes of bad, great, good from week to week.

If a QB could truly carry his team by himself, Joe was doing it in the Pats game last year. That was probably his all time best performance. He put us in position to win the game.

But as we saw, there's really no way a QB can truly carry the team by himself. He put the ball in Lee Evans hands in the endzone, but Lee drops it. The only argument you could make would be "well shouldn't he have found a way to win it on the next play?"...except there's a reason the team you are playing against made it to the AFC Championship.

What I would say about elite vs good QBs....elite QBs can make a team work with almost ANY cast of characters. Good QBs can make it work, provided they put all the pieces in place. Case in point is how, when Peyton Manning goes on IR, the Colts go from perennial contenders to 1-15. Peyton was good enough to make average players look like better players. He made a bad OL look decent. He made average WRs put up near Pro Bowl numbers.

I would agree that Joe, to me, is a good QB. If you give him a bad OL, he can't mask that. If you give him average WRs, he's going to struggle to get the ball to them. If you give him no running game to take the heat off him, he won't be able to shake the extra coverages. But, if you build a solid team around him, he'll get you far enough for the rest of the team to carry it onwards.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 01-04-2013, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by RavensNest

I guess I'm not the only one who thinks like a child.

http://endzonereport.net/2012/05/12/...n-be-a-debate/

Did you look at the date of that article?
May of last year.

Before this season began.
Before Romo choked.
AGAIN.

Like to see what Romo's stats would be with Cam as his OC.
With Pitta, Torrey, and Boldin instead of Whitten (HoF), Bryant & Austin.
Going up against the AFC North 5 games a season, none of them in a dome.
I'll even spot Romo, Ray Rice so he has one of the best safety valves in the league.
As for the O-Lines, meh probably a wash between us and the 'Boys.

**grandraven** · 01-04-2013, 10:29 PM

I don't' know if I can really blame Garrett because he has no real authority. The Cowboys organization reminds me of the Al Davis Raiders.

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**bacchys** · 01-04-2013, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Rochardrik

By THIS logic, Romo then, is one of the worst QB's. Has choked in playoff games and has not won a Superbowl. How does this bring ANY thing to the discussion?

It's a dumb standard for fans. While I certainly want the players to have the focus of "Super Bowl Champs or Bust!" during the season, as a fan all you can really ask is that they play their ass off every week, give you meaningful games late in the year, and get into the playoffs more often than not. If they're doing that, you're a fan of a good team.

Winning Super Bowls requires a lot of luck. The Giants beat the Patriots twice in the last decade largely on luck. A luck "helmet catch" in one, a miracle catch by Manninghim in the other, with Welker dropping another miracle catch. The ball bounces funny, and crazy things can happen.

The winner of the Super Bowl isn't necessarily the best team in football that year. It's who got healthy and hot at the right time.

**bacchys** · 01-04-2013, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

But as we saw, there's really no way a QB can truly carry the team by himself. He put the ball in Lee Evans hands in the endzone, but Lee drops it. The only argument you could make would be "well shouldn't he have found a way to win it on the next play?"...except there's a reason the team you are playing against made it to the AFC Championship.

The closest I ever saw a QB come to winning a Super Bowl by himself was Elway in the '80s.

It's funny: I never see any criticism of Brady on that pass Welker didn't catch...

**4G63** · 01-04-2013, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by RavensNest

It is. I was told romo isn't as good as flacco bc ge doesn't win much in the playoffs.

Which brings me to my next pt, how many SB has Joe won? The same as Romo. I'm not even being negative about Joe, but comparing to another QB who I think is good..... AND STILL PEOPLE GET PISSED AND THEIR PANTIES IN BUNCH.

I see no benefit to posting an opinion on this board...if your not a regular you get your ass-chewed.

**Maelstrom** · 01-05-2013, 12:44 AM

This donkey of a thread still has legs??? End it now!

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-06-2013, 04:27 PM

I'll take Pretty Flacco and you can keep Romoliscious

**ctulb** · 01-06-2013, 04:33 PM

5 years in the league. Has won a playoff game every year.

He's not perfect, but he's our QB. Go Joe

**RAYvens Fan** · 01-06-2013, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by RavensNest

It is. I was told romo isn't as good as flacco bc ge doesn't win much in the playoffs.

Which brings me to my next pt, how many SB has Joe won? The same as Romo. I'm not even being negative about Joe, but comparing to another QB who I think is good..... AND STILL PEOPLE GET PISSED AND THEIR PANTIES IN BUNCH.

I see no benefit to posting an opinion on this board...if your not a regular you get your ass-chewed.

That's not even close to true. I post here every once in a while and nobody "Chews my ass"....difference is, I don't say stupid shit.

As far as that goes....why do you call him "pretty boy"? My guess is your lady thinks he's hot (which may be true) and it's YOU who has their panties in a bunch.