OT: WTF did Michael Irvin just say?

[4G63]

Quadrupling down!

Fuck off! I was on my phone and you both begin with an "A"!

[ActualSpamBot]

So the last thing we need right now is white people pointing out hypocrisy when it clearly is occurring? If you can't see the irony in that statement in the context of race then you shouldn't be participating in this discussion.

It's not the last thing we need, a planet destroying asteroid wiping life off the earth is the last we need, but yea, white people complaining about black people being allowed to make jokes that we can't is pretty low on the "will this help end racism" list.

[4G63]

4G63, again you are attributing AkashiaRecorder's words to ActualSpamBot... I think that is part of what you are missing...

I know. I was originally posting from my phone but switched to my computer as I was obviously confused...see my above post.

[jonboy79]

It's not the last thing we need, a planet destroying asteroid wiping life off the earth is the last we need, but yea, white people complaining about black people being allowed to make jokes that we can't is pretty low on the "will this help end racism" list.

Not as low on the list as Black people continuing to make racist comments is... it helps perpetuate the problem into the future.

[jonboy79]

I know. I was originally posting from my phone but switched to my computer as I was obviously confused...

It seemed like you didn't realize you were doing it, I was trying to be helpful.

[ActualSpamBot]

Here's another good piece of advice, if you're not a rape victim, don't compare things to rape except things that are also literally rape.

[jonboy79]

Here's another good piece of advice, if you're not a rape victim, don't compare things to rape except things that are not also literally rape.

true...


It's like a victim of robbery, going on and robbing other people to get back what you lost, from completely different people.

[ActualSpamBot]

I'd say its more like someone who's been bullied making snide comments at the expense of the bully once they get into a position where they don't have to worry about said bully selling them into slavery or lynching them or not letting them attend integrated schools.

I kinda mixed my metaphor there at the end.

[jonboy79]

I'd say its more like someone who's been bullied making snide comments at the expense of the bully once they get into a position where they don't have to worry about said bully selling them into slavery or lynching them or not letting them attend integrated schools.

I kinda mixed my metaphor there at the end.

It showed through to explain your point... I get it. But I don't agree. Now you are equating Black people making racist comments to Ralphie beating up the red headed kid in a Christmas story....

These types of comments are made by peopel who were not victims, and made about people who weren't involved in the "crime" in the first place. Literally all it does is keep the ball rolling.


It's more like a kid that was bullied hitting puberty and starting to bully other kids...

[HKusp]

It showed through to explain your point... I get it. But I don't agree. Now you are equating Black people making racist comments to Ralphie beating up the red headed kid in a Christmas story....

These types of comments are made by peopel who were not victims, and made about people who weren't involved in the "crime" in the first place. Literally all it does is keep the ball rolling.


It's more like a kid that was bullied hitting puberty and starting to bully other kids...

While still complaining about bullying.

[Ravenous1]

Here's another good piece of advice, if you're not a rape victim, don't compare things to rape except things that are not also literally rape.

I just find it hilarious we have a 4 page thread on something stupid that Micheal Irvin had to say
Here is a reality check. Micheal Irvin is an idiot, idiots say goofy shit.

Was it stupid to say...yes but maybe if we look at the other side of things it would be a little more clear why comments and lasting division is still there. If you hold a group of people down from say the late 1700's till say the Voting Rights Act in 1964 (when black REALLY got the right to vote) don't be surprised if there is a little bit of animosity within that culture towards yours.

If my Dad was not allowed to use the same water fountain or bathroom as someone of another ethnicity, if he were not allowed to vote or threatened with physical harm if he did then maybe my Dad would have instilled some racial angst in me. How many black mayors, governors, senators were in office when Irvin was a child? Point is Micheal Irvin is a product of a different time and culture. One that is thankfully fading into history slowly but surely.

Not saying what he said was right, just saying before we get our white panties in a wad and start screaming RACISM, maybe we should consider the whole story and our history. White people telling African Americans to just get over it cause things are ok now is just as realistic as telling a spouse to forget the fact you were unfaithful to them because your faithful now. Its something that takes time to forgive.

[wickedsolo]

Why is this thread in the Ravens football section of the forum? Seems to me that the content is more along the lines of some of the other areas...

[Ravenous1]

true...


It's like a victim of robbery, going on and robbing other people to get back what you lost, from completely different people.

Your seriously going to compare some offhand stupid remark that Micheal Irvin made to the types of racism that his father and his grandfather prob experienced???? To use your analogy its like trying to compare a guy who steals your car to a guy who breaks in your house and kills your family. Its just two WAY WAY different things.

If you think growing up that Micheal Irvin was not a victim of racism you obviously do not know your history. If you think his position in life as a young man was not impacted by the limited opportunities his parents, grandparents and so on had....thats just burying your head in the sand.

So yea ...saying your homies will diss you for wearing a white guys jersey is kinda stupid and unnecessary but at the same time its hardly perpetuating racism in the way it once existed. It more like perpetuating stupidity

[wickedsolo]

Sheesh...people get offended by dumb shit.


Who gives a damn what Irvin said?

[HKusp]

I did at the time. I thought it would make for a good discussion here with my friends, but between all the people telling us it's ok and people telling us who cares? I guess I was wrong.

[akashicrecorder]

The rest of the sentence obviously softens the blow, but the statement taken as a whole is very cracist.

Why in the world is ok for minorities to compound the racist history of America by using it as "payback".

Statements like RGIII made are what progress this society beyond it's past. Stop singling out ethnic groups and they will stop being discriminated against.

It's quite sad that the most likely "cure" for this is a few generations of mixed ethnicity children LITERALLY blurring the lines between ethnic groups making the process of seperating them more difficult.

I have very little idea what most of this post even means, but I can assure you that what I said was not racism but fact. White people did shit. To a lot of groups in this country. For hundreds of years. What's past is past, but the past informs the present. It is ironic, amusing and (often) ignorant when white people make claims of racism not because it's impossible for other races to be racist, but because it is always ironic when an entity or group that has persecuted so much is suddenly feeling slighted.

This is right up there with people begging for a White History Month because they're too detached from reality to notice that, in the U.S., white history is just about everywhere and everything. It's right up there with people not getting that the point of affirmative action isn't to put unqualified people in high positions just because they happen to be non-white, but to correct centuries of institutional prejudice that has kept non-whites behind the eight ball, which forces them to play catch-up.

So the last thing we need right now is white people pointing out hypocrisy when it clearly is occurring? If you can't see the irony in that statement in the context of race then you shouldn't be participating in this discussion.

So the color of a persons skin still has bearing not the content of their character. Got. It. The next paragraph in your response says all anyone needs to know I guess....

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy. You are correct to say that. However, also correct is the fact that context exists, and that context matters. I said nothing about skin tone equaling character. I was pointing out the fact that history plays a part in this.

[ActualSpamBot]

I did at the time. I thought it would make for a good discussion here with my friends, but between all the people telling us it's ok and people telling us who cares? I guess I was wrong.

This is a discussion. People are making themselves understood, joking a bit to keep it light, and working toward consensus even as we acknowledge that true agreement is unlikely.

Just because it's not 6 pages of people agreeing with you doesn't mean it's a bad discussion.

[Rex Thunder]

It doesn't really seem racist to me either. Especially since he's the one wearing the Schaub jersey.

No, but it infers a racist culture towards whites at Miami. How do u not understand this??

[akashicrecorder]

You need to work on sentence structure.

Do I? I'm a gainfully employed writer by trade, so I actually probably don't.

Probbaly could have been split into two sentences, but yes, it reads correctly.

There can be a technical argument made for "white people's telling," but that's pretty formal.

[akashicrecorder]

This is a discussion. People are making themselves understood, joking a bit to keep it light, and working toward consensus even as we acknowledge that true agreement is unlikely.

Just because it's not 6 pages of people agreeing with you doesn't mean it's a bad discussion.