OT: WTF did Michael Irvin just say?

**ActualSpamBot** · 01-13-2013, 01:47 PM

As much as white people hate to hear this, there is a difference between white people making a comment like that about a black person, and vice versa. I know that seems unfair, and maybe someday it will be, but right now we live in a world where we white people are vastly over represented in positions of power, wealth, entertainment, and politics. As such, we enjoy something known as "privilege". This is not an opinion that I'm pulling out of the air, it's a well documented sociological concept. Feel free to look it up.

So yea, a black guy can make a joke about getting shit for wearing a white guy's shirt. Black folks are also the only ones who are allowed to say "nigger" to each other. The relationship between blacks and whites is inherently unequal in this country right now. At some point we may truly live in a post racial society and that won't be true, but for now, it is.

And if that bothers you, just enjoy the fact that as a white person, you are more likely to be accepted for a loan with identical credit than a black person, more likely to be hired for a managerial position with equal qualifications than a black person, and much less likely to be stopped by the police for a random "stop and frisk" than a black person.

(Again, those aren't opinions, they're statistical facts that I'm pulling straight from my college sociology texts.)

**FadeToBlack** · 01-13-2013, 01:52 PM

It's really amazing that in the 21st century, racist comments are still very acceptable, as long as a more socially tolerable form of racism is used. I wonder when the country will actually treat all forms of racism as equally bad? It's really incredible how primitive this double standard really is, considering how much we changed since the civil rights movement. When does it just become completely unacceptable to use any form of racism whatsoever? 20 years? 100 years?

I get what some people are saying about society, and how white people have an easier go at life than minorities do. But using simple, very basic logic, this double standard is just absurd. And you really should not even try to defend it.

**Volse11** · 01-13-2013, 01:54 PM

I don't really care what that guy says. He is completely brain dead.

**jonboy79** · 01-13-2013, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot

As much as white people hate to hear this, there is a difference between white people making a comment like that about a black person, and vice versa. I know that seems unfair, and maybe someday it will be, but right now we live in a world where we white people are vastly over represented in positions of power, wealth, entertainment, and politics. As such, we enjoy something known as "privilege". This is not an opinion that I'm pulling out of the air, it's a well documented sociological concept. Feel free to look it up.

So yea, a black guy can make a joke about getting shit for wearing a white guy's shirt. Black folks are also the only ones who are allowed to say "nigger" to each other. The relationship between blacks and whites is inherently unequal in this country right now. At some point we may truly live in a post racial society and that won't be true, but for now, it is.

And if that bothers you, just enjoy the fact that as a white person, you are more likely to be accepted for a loan with identical credit than a black person, more likely to be hired for a managerial position with equal qualifications than a black person, and much less likely to be stopped by the police for a random "stop and frisk" than a black person.

(Again, those aren't opinions, they're statistical facts that I'm pulling straight from my college sociology texts.)

What you say is typically correct, but truly sad.

**Mista T** · 01-13-2013, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by HKusp

Just because it's said with affection and is more accepted by some, doesn't change the fact that, yes, it is racist. Even if Suggs is saying it. It is a two way street people. If you want to be able to throw it around in one direction, be prepared for it to come back the other way.

The question remains, if say Steve Young had a black players Jersey on and said "the white guys at BYU are going to kill me for wearing a black guys jersey" would you be dismissing it? I think not.

Jeez ... this is fuckin' ridiculous!!!

**ActualSpamBot** · 01-13-2013, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

What you say is typically correct, but truly sad.

I agree about the sad thing. I would love to live in a world where Michael Irving's comments are the worst example of racial disparity that anyone should have to deal with.

**4G63** · 01-13-2013, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot

As much as white people hate to hear this, there is a difference between white people making a comment like that about a black person, and vice versa. I know that seems unfair, and maybe someday it will be, but right now we live in a world where we white people are vastly over represented in positions of power, wealth, entertainment, and politics. As such, we enjoy something known as "privilege". This is not an opinion that I'm pulling out of the air, it's a well documented sociological concept. Feel free to look it up.

So yea, a black guy can make a joke about getting shit for wearing a white guy's shirt. Black folks are also the only ones who are allowed to say "nigger" to each other. The relationship between blacks and whites is inherently unequal in this country right now. At some point we may truly live in a post racial society and that won't be true, but for now, it is.

And if that bothers you, just enjoy the fact that as a white person, you are more likely to be accepted for a loan with identical credit than a black person, more likely to be hired for a managerial position with equal qualifications than a black person, and much less likely to be stopped by the police for a random "stop and frisk" than a black person.

(Again, those aren't opinions, they're statistical facts that I'm pulling straight from my college sociology texts.)

You talk like a sociology textbook is the pinnacle of a fact based argument when in actuality its incorrect. In fact, I know that equally qualified people for a management position within any local, state, or Federal would go to the African American. Unless you want to point me to an actual credible link backing up your arguments I'll just go with what actually happens in the real world.

**jonboy79** · 01-13-2013, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot

I agree about the sad thing. I would love to live in a world where Michael Irving's comments are the worst example of racial disparity that anyone should have to deal with.

The double standards that black people are worried about won't go away until double standards like this do the same.

**jonboy79** · 01-13-2013, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by 4G63

You talk like a sociology textbook is the pinnacle of a fact based argument when in actuality its incorrect. In fact, I know that equally qualified people for a management position within any local, state, or Federal would go to the African American. Unless you want to point me to an actual credible link backing up your arguments I'll just go with what actually happens in the real world.

affirmative action... antoehr double standard that needs to disappear.

**OhThePossibilities** · 01-13-2013, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot

As much as white people hate to hear this, there is a difference between white people making a comment like that about a black person, and vice versa. I know that seems unfair, and maybe someday it will be, but right now we live in a world where we white people are vastly over represented in positions of power, wealth, entertainment, and politics. As such, we enjoy something known as "privilege". This is not an opinion that I'm pulling out of the air, it's a well documented sociological concept. Feel free to look it up.

So yea, a black guy can make a joke about getting shit for wearing a white guy's shirt. Black folks are also the only ones who are allowed to say "nigger" to each other. The relationship between blacks and whites is inherently unequal in this country right now. At some point we may truly live in a post racial society and that won't be true, but for now, it is.

And if that bothers you, just enjoy the fact that as a white person, you are more likely to be accepted for a loan with identical credit than a black person, more likely to be hired for a managerial position with equal qualifications than a black person, and much less likely to be stopped by the police for a random "stop and frisk" than a black person.

(Again, those aren't opinions, they're statistical facts that I'm pulling straight from my college sociology texts.)

This is true. I'm sure black people would gladly trade the ability to say something like Irvin/Suggs said for equality where it matters. If I was in their position, I certainly would. And I would gladly give up my right to some words that have no real impact, for the institutionalized pain that my ancestors went through from 400 years of slavery through Jim Crow and beyond.

**Paintballguy** · 01-13-2013, 02:18 PM

As Morgan Freeman says, the best way to get rid of racism is to stop talking about it. People like Michael Irvin are just propagating racism by talking about it.

**jonboy79** · 01-13-2013, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

As Morgan Freeman says, the best way to get rid of racism is to stop talking about it. People like Michael Irvin are just propagating racism by talking about it.

Bingo...

**leachisabeast** · 01-13-2013, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot

As much as white people hate to hear this, there is a difference between white people making a comment like that about a black person, and vice versa. I know that seems unfair, and maybe someday it will be, but right now we live in a world where we white people are vastly over represented in positions of power, wealth, entertainment, and politics. As such, we enjoy something known as "privilege". This is not an opinion that I'm pulling out of the air, it's a well documented sociological concept. Feel free to look it up.

So yea, a black guy can make a joke about getting shit for wearing a white guy's shirt. Black folks are also the only ones who are allowed to say "nigger" to each other. The relationship between blacks and whites is inherently unequal in this country right now. At some point we may truly live in a post racial society and that won't be true, but for now, it is.

And if that bothers you, just enjoy the fact that as a white person, you are more likely to be accepted for a loan with identical credit than a black person, more likely to be hired for a managerial position with equal qualifications than a black person, and much less likely to be stopped by the police for a random "stop and frisk" than a black person.

(Again, those aren't opinions, they're statistical facts that I'm pulling straight from my college sociology texts.)

Yeah, that's pretty much how it works here too.

It's just a really sad fact of life that is still true to this day.

**Maelstrom** · 01-13-2013, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

As Morgan Freeman says, the best way to get rid of racism is to stop talking about it. People like Michael Irvin are just propagating racism by talking about it.

Spot on point... And apologist for racist and racially charged comments and actions are just as culpable.

**Sirdowski** · 01-13-2013, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by 4G63

You talk like a sociology textbook is the pinnacle of a fact based argument when in actuality its incorrect. In fact, I know that equally qualified people for a management position within any local, state, or Federal would go to the African American. Unless you want to point me to an actual credible link backing up your arguments I'll just go with what actually happens in the real world.

I'm inclined to agree.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 01-13-2013, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by HKusp

While walking around the set wearing a Matt Schaub Jersey and pretending to be Andre Johnson, did he say " the brutha's in Miami are gonna kill me for wearing a white guys Jersey?"

Really?? What is that bullshit?

Rob Parker (secretly) approves.

**OhThePossibilities** · 01-13-2013, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by 4G63

You talk like a sociology textbook is the pinnacle of a fact based argument when in actuality its incorrect. In fact, I know that equally qualified people for a management position within any local, state, or Federal would go to the African American. Unless you want to point me to an actual credible link backing up your arguments I'll just go with what actually happens in the real world.

So he has to post a link to prove his point, but you don't have to?

We live in a world where the US President's nationality was questioned for years on the basis of his being HALF black. When was the last time anyone questioned a white President's nationality? How's that for equality?

**akashicrecorder** · 01-13-2013, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by OhThePossibilities

Even if he did say it, it's not something to get all butthurt about. All complaining about it really does is make it look like you really wanna say something that would be viewed as kinda racist yourself.

Agree with this.

Not to be overly political or racial, but honestly, the last thing this country or world needs is white people, and I am assuming most of the posters here are white (or at the very least that HKusp is white; please correct me if I am wrong), telling everyone else how racist other people are.

OhThePossibilities' point, I believe, was that considering all the shit and grief that white people have caused for others, it is odd and seems ignorant for whites to complain about the "double standards" they perceive. It does, to some, make it sound like these people are just upset that they don't get to be racist but others can be.

**ActualSpamBot** · 01-13-2013, 02:51 PM

More importantly, my view point is supported by simple facts. How many black CEO's in the fortune 500? If things were proportionately representative the answer would be around 60.

It's actually only 6.

money.cnn.com/2012/03/22/news/companies/black-ceo/index.htm

So why is that? If blacks are MORE LIKELY to be promoted or hired with equal qualifications, as was posited, then they would be over represented, but instead they are under represented by a massive margin.

**4G63** · 01-13-2013, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by OhThePossibilities

So he has to post a link to prove his point, but you don't have to?

We live in a world where the US President's nationality was questioned for years on the basis of his being HALF black. When was the last time anyone questioned a white President's nationality? How's that for equality?

You've heard of affirmative action, right? I shouldn't have to link to something that should be common knowledge right now.