How we should attack the Patriots

**Uli2001** · 01-18-2013, 10:53 PM

The Ravens to be physical on defense, have long productive drives on offense, and contain Brady. Easier said than done, but it can be done.

**PerpetuallyBored74** · 01-19-2013, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by mgcolby

There will be a safety over Smith at all times. Also Smith isn't that much faster than Talib and McCourtey is faster than Smith.

Devin McCourty
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 5106
Weight: 193
40 Yrd Dash: 4.38
20 Yrd Dash: 2.50
10 Yrd Dash: 1.53
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 16
Vertical Jump: 36
Broad Jump: 10'06"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.07
3-Cone Drill: 6.70
40 Time Range: 4.38-4.49
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2010&genpos=CB

Torrey Smith
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6007
Weight: 204
40 Yrd Dash: 4.41
20 Yrd Dash: 2.50
10 Yrd Dash: 1.51
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 19
Vertical Jump: 41
Broad Jump: 10'06"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.13
3-Cone Drill: 6.72
4.26/4.37/4.49 40 range before Combine
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2011&genpos=wr

Torrey's 40 times seem to be up and down--if we're to believe he can hit the mid 4.2's then he can be faster than McCourty; otherwise their speed is at a virtual tie.

Where Torrey clearly has the advantage is size, strength, height and vertical leap.

So, if Joe sees Torrey one on one with McCourty, he can just throw it high enough that Torrey can go up and get it, but too high for McCourty to reach.

**Ravenalytics** · 01-19-2013, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74

Devin McCourty
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 5106
Weight: 193
40 Yrd Dash: 4.38
20 Yrd Dash: 2.50
10 Yrd Dash: 1.53
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 16
Vertical Jump: 36
Broad Jump: 10'06"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.07
3-Cone Drill: 6.70
40 Time Range: 4.38-4.49
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2010&genpos=CB

Torrey Smith
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6007
Weight: 204
40 Yrd Dash: 4.41
20 Yrd Dash: 2.50
10 Yrd Dash: 1.51
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 19
Vertical Jump: 41
Broad Jump: 10'06"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.13
3-Cone Drill: 6.72
4.26/4.37/4.49 40 range before Combine
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2011&genpos=wr

Torrey's 40 times seem to be up and down--if we're to believe he can hit the mid 4.2's then he can be faster than McCourty; otherwise their speed is at a virtual tie.

Where Torrey clearly has the advantage is size, strength, height and vertical leap.

So, if Joe sees Torrey one on one with McCourty, he can just throw it high enough that Torrey can go up and get it, but too high for McCourty to reach.

Also Torrey's getting a head start in momentum when he starts a route. Talib has to accelerate at a faster rate to get even due to his starting position and orientation. And even if he could, those few fractions of a second where he's a step behind is enough to complete a pass.

Not to mention combine speeds and speeds in pads are very different.

**Paintballguy** · 01-19-2013, 05:56 AM

40 times don't mean anything. There is a reason why Torrey averages over 20 ypc against the pats.

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**tailgater** · 01-19-2013, 08:03 AM

McCourty will provide help for Talib on the deep post to Smith. He won't make the same error the den saftey did at the end of the first half - he'll get there in time to grab that throw instead of Smith.

**PGCountyRaven85** · 01-19-2013, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by tailgater

McCourty will provide help for Talib on the deep post to Smith. He won't make the same error the den saftey did at the end of the first half - he'll get there in time to grab that throw instead of Smith.

You don't know what he'll do, he might bite on the tight end on a seam route. Giving Torrey the inside position on the post. You just never know.

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-19-2013, 10:01 AM

I'm more worried about the short stuff in the middle of the field. Ray's the man, but his side to side ability is not what it used to be. I think they'll test it

**Double TE** · 01-19-2013, 10:14 AM

Throw deep every single time....Smith will have 700 yards and 8 TDs....

**wickedsolo** · 01-19-2013, 10:30 AM

Keep Brady off the field.

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**Paintballguy** · 01-19-2013, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by tailgater

McCourty will provide help for Talib on the deep post to Smith. He won't make the same error the den saftey did at the end of the first half - he'll get there in time to grab that throw instead of Smith.

Smh this is a different game. If the pats want to sit in 2 man or a cover 2 shell with a 6 or 7 man front, you'll see a heavy dose of rice and play action.

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**Tucker: M&T Sec 527** · 01-19-2013, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by mgcolby

So your premise that the Pats played shit teams and division differences etc... turns out to be BS based on SOS and that is what you come back with?

If you actually base your opinion in fact you wouldn't have to resort to sorry attempts at insults.

If you don't like the cooking, ass-wipe, get out of the kitchen! Maybe you haven't noticed but there ain't many folks on here who want to "debate" d-bag Pats' fans the week before the biggest game of the year. We may respect your team, but not its fans. Though I wouldn't waste my time on a Pats' forum, I'd expect to find a similar reception there on this of all weeks. If you have anything else to say, I'll be in Sec 337, row 9, seat 7 on Sunday evening. See you then, JFK!

**tailgater** · 01-19-2013, 12:48 PM

Arrington isn't the greatest, but he is better at the slot than at rcb. Also better than Edleman, who covered him in the last playoff game.

Originally Posted by mgcolby

You are right, Arrington is the slot guy. But having him one on one with Boldin doesn't give me a warm fuzzy.

Ellerbee was not good in coverage against the Broncos.

**tailgater** · 01-19-2013, 12:56 PM

I think Wilfork will attack Osemele when he gets him one on one. He had a lot of success at that earlier in the year.

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

You just described the Ravens defense also...

Also, we have a massive o-line and leach that can help punch in the ball. Our rookie LG Kelechi Osemele is 6'5" 333 lbs and playing at an all-pro level. Plus, we have another all-pro guard in Yanda who was nursing an injury in last years afc championship. Our o-line man handled denver's front 7 last week that featured the best pass rusher and really good run defended in von miller.

**goodandfast** · 01-19-2013, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by tailgater

I think Wilfork will attack Osemele when he gets him one on one. He had a lot of success at that earlier in the year.

Wrong-o. Osemele played ont he outside prior to the play-offs.

**tailgater** · 01-19-2013, 01:09 PM

Thats pretty much what I expect the game plan to be - stop / slow down Rice with the front 7 and not let anyone get behind the safeties.

I do expect there will be room in the middle for Flacco to hit, Boldin, Pitta & Rice to rack up yards, but keep it between the 20s. I expect 3 tds, couple of FGs, stopping them at 27pts or less. If they do that and avoid turnovers, i think that will be enough to win the game.

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

Smh this is a different game. If the pats want to sit in 2 man or a cover 2 shell with a 6 or 7 man front, you'll see a heavy dose of rice and play action.

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**tailgater** · 01-19-2013, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Tucker: M&T Sec 527

If you don't like the cooking, ass-wipe, get out of the kitchen! Maybe you haven't noticed but there ain't many folks on here who want to "debate" d-bag Pats' fans the week before the biggest game of the year. We may respect your team, but not its fans. Though I wouldn't waste my time on a Pats' forum, I'd expect to find a similar reception there on this of all weeks. If you have anything else to say, I'll be in Sec 337, row 9, seat 7 on Sunday evening. See you then, JFK!:alien:

Good luck with that attitude in the nosebleeds. You'll be ejected in the first half.

**PGCountyRaven85** · 01-19-2013, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by tailgater

I think Wilfork will attack Osemele when he gets him one on one. He had a lot of success at that earlier in the year.

I think Yanda, Osemele and Birk will dominate him this game. They're not gonna allow to take over this AFC CG. Last year, he faced Grubbs and a banged up Birk and Yanda. Osemele is much more physical and nastier than Grubbs ever was, and Birk and Yanda are healthy.

**Paintballguy** · 01-19-2013, 02:11 PM

Osemele is playing at an all pro level at guard. No homer watch the tape.

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**NOLARavenFAN** · 01-19-2013, 02:51 PM

Ray is going to get covered ls going to get covered 1 on 1 by their LBS.......he wants to take advantage of those matchups.

**Tucker: M&T Sec 527** · 01-19-2013, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by tailgater

Good luck with that attitude in the nosebleeds. You'll be ejected in the first half.

Thanks, mom. I'll call if I'll be late...

I figure if Pats fans there are like the ones who have been posting on this Ravens forum, they'll be too busy telling everyone else how little they know about football compared to their own encyclopedic knowledege and infalliable perspectives on everything that has to do w/ it. I might get hit over the head by their slide-rules as they feverishly calculate their stats so they can insult the know-nothings they must suffer that are seated around them.

For the record, I've been to the last four Ravens' games played at Foxboro, and I'll gladly take the real Pats' fans I encountered there over the d-bag Poindexters that have been fouling this forum all week.

But if you want some, tailgater, I'll oblige you. But mostly just STFU please!