Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

[wickedsolo]

I agree for the most part. Joe has improved with Cam being gone.

But one thing he brought has still be true - he only throws deep balls to the right side of the field...

The TD pass to Boldin in the Giants game (was about 20-30 yards IIRC) was down the left sideline.

[saintmatthew]

I agree for the most part. Joe has improved with Cam being gone.

But one thing he brought has still be true - he only throws deep balls to the right side of the field...

Pretty sure I saw plenty of deep passes to the center of the field. Season opener vs. Cincy comes to mind.

[blah3]

Does this mean the vast majority have moved past the Joe is a game manager, like Tony's article a little while back?

[Jeremiah W]

The TD pass to Boldin in the Giants game (was about 20-30 yards IIRC) was down the left sideline.

He has hit Boldin down the left side over the top in sevral big wins. The numbers may say most of the big throws are down the right, but if or when strong safties are able to get there or the free saftey comes all the way accross, the underneath routes and run game will open up like never before. The Ravens have been a team that you have always been willing to take your chances with on the outside in order to contain the run and TE threats. WRs taking the lid off that scheme puts our o in a very dangerous place with no good poision left to pick.

[callahan09]

I think we should give Joe about a 7 year deal. That way he will complete his 12th season by the end of the contract, and if he is still playing at a high level and can stay healthy, then we could probably sign him to another 7 year contract with options built in after the first few years for us to keep him or cut him or for him to retire. If he can live out that contract, he'll have played 19 seasons, which is approaching Favre-like proportions, but if any QB is set to be able to accomplish something like that, it's Flacco.

[NCRAVEN]

The TD pass to Boldin in the Giants game (was about 20-30 yards IIRC) was down the left sideline.

Pretty sure I saw plenty of deep passes to the center of the field. Season opener vs. Cincy comes to mind.

He said tendencies not exclusively.

How many deep balls were to the left in the Broncos game, or the Colts game?

[B-more Ravor]

I'm sticking by my 6 year 100 mil prediction.

I've heard that that is what they've already offered him, but he didn't like the structure of the money.

Now, if he continues playing well, that may just be the starting point.

[Jeremiah W]

He said tendencies not exclusively.

How many deep balls were to the left in the Broncos game, or the Colts game?

I do not know the stats, but I would think most deep throws in the NFL would be down the right sideline because that is the strong saftey side. It is #1 WR side and the natural first read for right handed QBs. Also it is going to be the longest run for the FS.

Joe has hit every throw out there and gone deep to every target, so teams may try to play the tendancy, but can not afford to over commit.

[saintmatthew]

He said tendencies not exclusively.

How many deep balls were to the left in the Broncos game, or the Colts game?

Yeah, but you said "But one thing he brought has still be true - he only throws deep balls to the right side of the field..."

[NCRAVEN]

Yeah, but you said "But one thing he brought has still be true - he only throws deep balls to the right side of the field..."

For the sake of brevity I didn't spell it out, my bad.

So his tendencies and numbers are much better to his right than left. I would hope/like he approves in this if he is getting top 5 money.

[HoustonRaven]

Just because the numbers to the right are higher than the left doesn't mean that's the "tendency".

Play calling, dropped passes, etc can all account for why there are more throws / catches on the right than left.

For it to be a tendency, IMO, there would have to be a disproportionately lower number to the left as well.

[NCRAVEN]

Just because the numbers to the right are higher than the left doesn't mean that's the "tendency".

Play calling, dropped passes, etc can all account for why there are more throws / catches on the right than left.

For it to be a tendency, IMO, there would have to be a disproportionately lower number to the left as well.

I don't know the numbers. Trent Dilfer and was talking about the numbers. Fletcher was talking about the tendencies he noticed on the game tape.

It could all be nothing, I am just going of memory and remembering he does throw deep balls to the right more. As far as tendencies, that's always been the knock on Joe, not sure how much he's improving on it but I think he has improved.

[BigPlayReceiver]

All passes over 10 yards from PFF.com (3 zones)

Outside the numbers, left: 18 / 62 / 377 / 5 / 0 -- 79.3
Between: 38 / 71 / 973 / 9 / 1 -- 132.4
Outside the numbers, right: 38 / 77 / 930 / 5 / 4 -- 93.53

ESPN uses 5 zones IIRC.

[trailhiker85]

I have no numbers to contribute, but my eyeballs and memory would support the idea that Joe goes deep far more often to the right side than the left. One of the Denver defenders (can't remember which) was even quoted as saying they had believed this was a tendency of Joe's. The irony, of course, is that they were completely unable to do anything about it last Saturday.

[bmorecareful]

One of the reasons Joe goes deep right more than left is very simple: Torrey Smith usually lines up on the right.

Now, that tendency changed a little bit in Denver, where Torrey lined up on both the left and right about equally. But generally Torrey is on the right and he's got I believe the deepest average depth of target in the NFL at something like 20 yards downfield. Very few receivers are targeted on average even CLOSE to that far downfield.

Another factor is that the right side is usually the strong side, where the TE is lined up. Joe probably reads the right side of the field first looking for Pitta on a shorter route or Torrey on a longer route. If the longer route is there he's going to take a shot at it, if it's not he'll move to Dennis then to the left side of the field. Because Torrey and Dennis both get open more consistently than Boldin they represent both safer and more efficient options.

It's interesting that despite all that, Boldin leads the team in catches by a good amount, both on the season and in the postseason thus far. I think he's most effective in the second half after teams put more emphasis on taking Torrey and Dennis away.

[alienrace]

Pretty sure I saw plenty of deep passes to the center of the field. Season opener vs. Cincy comes to mind.

Yeah, not to mention the bomb to Torrey in the last game was in the center as well.

[callahan09]

I was fascinated by the conversation about Flacco's deep throwing tendencies, so I did some research on it for the 2012 season (including playoffs). Passes are qualified as either "short" or "deep" in the official play-by-play, so this is based on those classifications of each pass:

Deep Left: 13/43, 337 Yards, 4 TD, 0 INT --> 30.2%, 7.8 Y/A, 90.9 QB Rating
Deep Middle: 16/35, 470 Yards, 3 TD, 1 INT --> 45.7%, 13.4 Y/A, 108.9 QB Rating
Deep Right: 30/59, 992 Yards, 8 TD, 1 INT --> 50.8%, 16.8 Y/A, 129.1 QB Rating

Deep All: 59/137, 1799 Yards, 15 TD, 2 INT --> 43.1%, 13.1 Y/A, 120.5 QB Rating

Pass Interference / Illegal Contact Penalties Drawn
Deep Left: 1 For 30 Yards
Deep Middle: 1 For 15 Yards
Deep Right: 6 For 135 Yards

Deep All: 8 For 180 Yards


And just for kicks, here is the comparison with Tom Brady:

Deep Left: 15/48, 452 Yards, 4 TD, 1 INT --> 31.3%, 9.4 Y/A, 86.5 QB Rating
Deep Middle: 14/33, 391 Yards, 4 TD, 1 INT --> 42.4%, 11.8 Y/A, 113.8 QB Rating
Deep Right: 10/38, 306 Yards, 2 TD, 3 INT --> 26.3%, 8.1 Y/A, 45.3 QB Rating

Deep All: 39/119, 1149 Yards, 10 TD, 5 INT --> 32.8%, 9.7 Y/A, 80.1 QB Rating

Pass Interference / Illegal Contact Penalties Drawn
Deep Left: 2 For 31 Yards
Deep Middle: 1 For 38 Yards
Deep Right: 4 For 90 Yards

Deep All: 7 For 159 Yards

[pslholder96]

I agree for the most part. Joe has improved with Cam being gone.

But one thing he brought has still be true - he only throws deep balls to the right side of the field...

Sad but true. Joe just loves the right side of the field more so than other right handed QBs. I'm just curious how the # of attempts to the right side of the field stack up against other QBs in the league.

[wickedsolo]

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Sad but true. Joe just loves the right side of the field more so than other right handed QBs. I'm just curious how the # of attempts to the right side of the field stack up against other QBs in the league.

Did you totally glance over post #37?

[JAB1985]

I was fascinated by the conversation about Flacco's deep throwing tendencies, so I did some research on it for the 2012 season (including playoffs). Passes are qualified as either "short" or "deep" in the official play-by-play, so this is based on those classifications of each pass:

Deep Left: 13/43, 337 Yards, 4 TD, 0 INT --> 30.2%, 7.8 Y/A, 90.9 QB Rating
Deep Middle: 16/35, 470 Yards, 3 TD, 1 INT --> 45.7%, 13.4 Y/A, 108.9 QB Rating
Deep Right: 30/59, 992 Yards, 8 TD, 1 INT --> 50.8%, 16.8 Y/A, 129.1 QB Rating

Deep All: 59/137, 1799 Yards, 15 TD, 2 INT --> 43.1%, 13.1 Y/A, 120.5 QB Rating

Pass Interference / Illegal Contact Penalties Drawn
Deep Left: 1 For 30 Yards
Deep Middle: 1 For 15 Yards
Deep Right: 6 For 135 Yards

Deep All: 8 For 180 Yards


And just for kicks, here is the comparison with Tom Brady:

Deep Left: 15/48, 452 Yards, 4 TD, 1 INT --> 31.3%, 9.4 Y/A, 86.5 QB Rating
Deep Middle: 14/33, 391 Yards, 4 TD, 1 INT --> 42.4%, 11.8 Y/A, 113.8 QB Rating
Deep Right: 10/38, 306 Yards, 2 TD, 3 INT --> 26.3%, 8.1 Y/A, 45.3 QB Rating

Deep All: 39/119, 1149 Yards, 10 TD, 5 INT --> 32.8%, 9.7 Y/A, 80.1 QB Rating

Pass Interference / Illegal Contact Penalties Drawn
Deep Left: 2 For 31 Yards
Deep Middle: 1 For 38 Yards
Deep Right: 4 For 90 Yards

Deep All: 7 For 159 Yards

i defended him as one of the better deep ball QBs in the league which these numbers would seem to support. Im not sure who else would have over a 120 rating on deep passes. Any chance you have Rodgers numbers? I believe most say hes the best when arguing that Flacco isnt good at all.