Pats fans are Broncos fans reincarnated

**Paintballguy** · 01-18-2013, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Double TE

I said this basically on the Pats board. Flacco does not have to be as good as Brady all the time...only for one game. Any QB could do that. Its ONE GAME....

Would I consider him a to 10 for Fantasy say or if I were starting a team now...no. Would I hate it if I ended up with him...NO! He is fine.

Yep I agree. To me Flacco's biggest issue has been fixed. That was Cam Cameron. He's been consistently good since Caldwell took over.

**Double TE** · 01-18-2013, 09:23 AM

He is definitely fearless...for better or for worse. Its going to be cold and more importantly windy in Foxbrough...at least thats the current forecast. Those conditions favor a running game and short passing game not long bombs...so we'll see how each team adjusts.

**PGCountyRaven85** · 01-18-2013, 09:24 AM

It is what it is.

**SC_Raven_Fan** · 01-18-2013, 09:52 AM

When one has no basis for an argument, one attacks.

The Patriots will fall on Sunday, and I don't believe the score will even be close.

**Double TE** · 01-18-2013, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by SC_Raven_Fan

When one has no basis for an argument, one attacks.

The Patriots will fall on Sunday, and I don't believe the score will even be close.

AWESOME! Vegas disagrees I guess.

**NCRAVEN** · 01-18-2013, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Double TE

AWESOME! Vegas disagrees I guess.

They did last week too. In almost al the games they did.

**Double TE** · 01-18-2013, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

They did last week too. In almost al the games they did.

NE covered..Atl - Seattle was right on the $$ right?

**NCRAVEN** · 01-18-2013, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Double TE

NE covered..Atl - Seattle was right on the $$ right?

I thought it was 3, but the San Fran game was way off too.

The point is no one knows.

**Double TE** · 01-18-2013, 10:09 AM

It was 2.5..Atlanta.

Agreed no one truly knows...otherwise why play the games. I'll say this. Look at the personnel for NE's secondary...totally retooled from last yr.

**NCRAVEN** · 01-18-2013, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Double TE

It was 2.5..Atlanta.

Agreed no one truly knows...otherwise why play the games. I'll say this. Look at the personnel for NE's secondary...totally retooled from last yr.

We know, we've discussed it. The Pats are good, no doubt. I've said ti numerous times, turnovers and special teams aside it should be a close game.

**SC_Raven_Fan** · 01-18-2013, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Double TE

It was 2.5..Atlanta.

Agreed no one truly knows...otherwise why play the games. I'll say this. Look at the personnel for NE's secondary...totally retooled from last yr.

NE is jacked because they had a run game against the Texans. Understandable. That run game will be non-existent against the Ravens. With no run game, Brady will throw more. Brady will turn the ball over 2-3X on Sunday, and and the Ravens will score off each TO. I am fairly confident of this prediction. The game could prove me wrong, but this is the way I see it.

**Double TE** · 01-18-2013, 10:30 AM

Why won't they have a run game vs. the Ravens? Are Ridley and Vereen injured?

**tailgater** · 01-18-2013, 10:43 AM

If the Pats can get the hurry-up going with the ravens in nickle or dime defense, the pats will have success running the ball.

Originally Posted by SC_Raven_Fan

NE is jacked because they had a run game against the Texans. Understandable. That run game will be non-existent against the Ravens. With no run game, Brady will throw more. Brady will turn the ball over 2-3X on Sunday, and and the Ravens will score off each TO. I am fairly confident of this prediction. The game could prove me wrong, but this is the way I see it.

**Coastergenius** · 01-18-2013, 11:01 AM

The Broncos fans are acting like they're some well oiled machine or something, and should be talked about with the Patriots and Colts of the 2000's. The fact is that they have been a mediocre team that most teams would see on their schedule and breath a sigh of relief. They benefitted from an easy schedule last year to get the division, and then had to sign the greatest QB of our generation (who's not quite what he used to be though) as a mercinary to make a few desperation play-off pushes. Once Manning retires in a year or two, they'll be back where they started, but probably in cap trouble without the decent draft classes.

**Ravens27Girl** · 01-18-2013, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Coastergenius

The Broncos fans are acting like they're some well oiled machine or something, and should be talked about with the Patriots and Colts of the 2000's. The fact is that they have been a mediocre team that most teams would see on their schedule and breath a sigh of relief. They benefitted from an easy schedule last year to get the division, and then had to sign the greatest QB of our generation (who's not quite what he used to be though) as a mercinary to make a few desperation play-off pushes. Once Manning retires in a year or two, they'll be back where they started, but probably in cap trouble without the decent draft classes.

**Greg** · 01-18-2013, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Double TE

He is definitely fearless...for better or for worse. Its going to be cold and more importantly windy in Foxbrough...at least thats the current forecast. Those conditions favor a running game and short passing game not long bombs...so we'll see how each team adjusts.

Kind of like last Sunday in Denver?

I don't give a shit about fantasy numbers. I have Brady in a keeper league (me and 11 Browns fans) and while he has been money for years for me, he was a bench warmer his first several seasons. I picked him up off waivers after injury to whoever my then starter was and just held onto him. It was the next year that he took off fantasy wise but that was like year 3 or 4 in his career. He was just sitting there because his fantasy numbers were crap, despite having by then at least 2 SB rings.

Fantasy numbers are fine and that makes for a fun game, but it has ZERO to do with winning NFL football. Since Brady has blown up fantasy wise he hasn't won a bunch of Super Bowls. Then look at Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, etc. They each have one ring, save Rivers with none. Eli isn't great fantasy wise but he has two. Rothlisberger is pretty good fantasy wise and has two, but when he got his first he rode that defense as his playoff numbers were hot garbage.

Give me a winner for Ravens QB and a fantasy guy for my two fantasy teams (Romo was my starter on my other team - LOL, great numbers and crap when it counts). NFL winners and fantasy winners aren't the same thing.

**PatsFan in MD** · 01-18-2013, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by SC_Raven_Fan

When one has no basis for an argument, one attacks.

The Patriots will fall on Sunday, and I don't believe the score will even be close.

You might be right about this one.

**Strange Bru** · 01-18-2013, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by PatsFan in MD

Man, you don't know how appreciative I am whenever I see a Patriot game with Brady as our QB. It's not going to last forever and I know damn well he'll most likely be the best QB I'll have ever watched play for my team in my lifetime.

The only reason I have a hard time believing Tom Brady is the greatest QB ever, was the season I drafted Tom Brady in my fantasy football team. He played one quarter and was knocked out of the season. Matt Cassel had more yards and wins then Brady the year before, which makes me think its more the Patriots O scheme that makes QBs look good. This is my opinion, and it is a team game so there is nothing wrong with that. The difference is, people get pissed at me for saying this, but its ok to shit on Flacco and everything he has done for the Ravens.

**PatsFan in MD** · 01-18-2013, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Strange Bru

The only reason I have a hard time believing Tom Brady is the greatest QB ever, was the season I drafted Tom Brady in my fantasy football team. He played one quarter and was knocked out of the season. Matt Cassel had more yards and wins then Brady the year before, which makes me think its more the Patriots O scheme that makes QBs look good. This is my opinion, and it is a team game so there is nothing wrong with that. The difference is, people get pissed at me for saying this, but its ok to shit on Flacco and everything he has done for the Ravens.

Which year did Cassel have more yards and wins compared to Brady? I'm sure it's not the 07 Patriots, the year before Cassell took over. Brady led them to 16-0 and broke all the passing records. So you're probably referring to the 06 year then. Well, you have to compare who Brady was with on that year vs who Cassell played with in 08. Cassell was with Moss, Welker, and Stallworth. Brady in 06 played with Reche Caldwell as his #1 receiver. Brady did not get weapons until the year after. You can't really compare the two seasons. The better comparison is what Brady did to the same cast and crew Cassell had to work with when he started. And as I stated, Brady led them to a perfect season and breaking all those records meanwhile Cassell largely depended on our defense, a decent running game, and a really soft schedule.

**PGCountyRaven85** · 01-18-2013, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by PatsFan in MD

You might be right about this one.

I doubt either team gets blown, as these games are typically decided by a TD or less, but more often a FG. The Ravens are too good to get blown out at this point and so are the Patsies.