Tom Brady fined 10k for reed kick

**Bigfish** · 01-24-2013, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by RedSkins Fury

Now the NFL can move on to investigate why the Patriots WRs "Duck" their heads to spear defenders in the head, fishing for helmet-to-hemet penalty calls. Am I the only one who noticed this? When I watched the game online yesterday and then again last night, I noticed this. While I think it's a decent offensive strategy, (Patriots do their best to push the rules within the rules limits), it is dangerous and makes a mockery of the "helmet to helmet contact" rule and the NFL's desire to limit head injuries. If it somehow comes out later that the Pats organization coaches this concept... will the NFL come down hard on them similar to bounty gate?

Good point. I re-watched the game last night and the receiver ducked his head down into Ray's head which was at the height of his torso. Conversely, if I'm a receiver and I'm expecting to get lit up, I may duck and get to the ground quickly. So I'm not certain they teach that, but I wouldn't doubt it. I've seen Ravens all year obviously trying to avoid the head to head collisions yet still getting penalized. I could argue either way on some of those, but some were questionable. The worst was Pollard getting called when he used the side of his body to make contact.

Although not a penalty, Pollard's hit on Ridley was on of the most devastating hits all year. Ridley was out cold which is clearly severe head trauma. Again, the runner chose to duck his head into Pollard and is therefore equally responsible for the collision. Unknowledgeable Patriots fans feel that was a dirty play by Pollard.

Honestly, I expect the trend to continue and may evolve into a game I'll have no interest in watching.

**JAB1985** · 01-24-2013, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Tucker: M&T Sec 527

That was basically my first thought when I watched him do it. He was taking a huge risk sticking his leg/ankle out before an NFL collision. Reed saved him by avoiding contact.

Now about about the contact on Reed after he signalled for and made a fair catch? I have never seen that NOT called before; IIRC a flag was thrown and picked up on that play. 'Splain please, Lucy.

the only way thats not called is if he bobbled or dropped it. What i saw was Reed misjudge it and catch it low to the ground but cleanly before getting popped. I dont remember there being a flag at all on the play but i could be mistaken.

**Bigfish** · 01-24-2013, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by JAB1985

the only way thats not called is if he bobbled or dropped it. What i saw was Reed misjudge it and catch it low to the ground but cleanly before getting popped. I dont remember there being a flag at all on the play but i could be mistaken.

No penalty was called, although I clearly heard the impact. I don't understand either why that wasn't a penalty.

**Your Worst Enemy** · 01-24-2013, 12:15 PM

I'm glad he was fined. 'Bout time

**Beau Petard** · 01-24-2013, 12:37 PM

Just a quick opinion on the Pollard-Ridley collision--
FWIW, and IMHO, Pollard did less to "hit" Ridley than Ridley did to "spear" Pollard with his helmet - bigfish's "the runner chose to duck his head into Pollard". The initial broadcast and replays clearly indicate that Ridley did almost a double-dip to get his helmet down to a level where contact could occur. Whether or not he purposefully tried to draw a call/penalty, I cannot say. But it was very clear that Pollard's effort on that play was not to hit Ridley in the helmet.

**RedSkins Fury** · 01-24-2013, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Beau Petard

Whether or not he purposefully tried to draw a call/penalty, I cannot say. But it was very clear that Pollard's effort on that play was not to hit Ridley in the helmet.

I was originally talking about their WRs ducking their heads to make purposeful contact to fish/draw a flag when making a catch. Helmet-to-helmet is not illegal on a runner.

**Beau Petard** · 01-24-2013, 12:53 PM

Furry-
Pas de probleme, mon ami. I recognize that the helmet-to-helmet is not illegal on a runner (I guess unless a player launches himsel;f to spear a guy, but even then...), and my comment was/is not directed at your comments, more just a general "IMO".

To be honest, I thought the officials were going to contrive some type of call on Pollard (not sure what), but I was scratching my head as to why Ridley ducked his helmet as much as he did, which created the h-2-h collision. As soon as that happened, my buddy and I flinched, knowing that the play would not end well for Ridley. I think it'd be tough to "legislate" the rules to prevent this, but as many have noted before, how to you make rules for contact when 200+ (or even 300+) pound guys are flying around and acting/reacting to literally split-second physical moves?

Newton mighta said, "Rules are rules, but laws cannot be broken!"

**Bigfish** · 01-24-2013, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Beau Petard

I was scratching my head as to why Ridley ducked his helmet as much as he did, which created the h-2-h collision.

I think Ridley learned a life lesson. His determined mind convinced him that it was a good idea to run over Pollard and the other defenders to score a touchdown and become the hero of the game. Sometime after he woke up I'm sure he had an epiphany.

**PatsFan in MD** · 01-24-2013, 03:12 PM

You guys' dislike for Brady is somewhat creepy. The guy never says anything remotely insulting to any of his opponents. He never throws his coaches or teammates under the bus. He's always saying the right thing. He's competitive and sometimes asks for a flag, but everybody does that. How many times have we seen any of your receivers throw their hands up after they think they've been interfered. It's almost automatic now for receivers to beg for flags. QBs, from what all former and current NFL players have said, are the toughest guys out there. They stand there and get lit up and for the most part, they can't protect themselves. I've seen Brady get nailed countless of times and he just gets back up. Granted that Reed kick was cheap and he's admitted it as much, but there are a lot more @$$hats in the NFL than Brady.

He never gets in legal trouble. Is heavily involved in charity work. Is one of the most fan friendly superstars out there.

**Justlovemybirds** · 01-24-2013, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by PatsFan in MD

You guys' dislike for Brady is somewhat creepy. The guy never says anything remotely insulting to any of his opponents. He never throws his coaches or teammates under the bus. He's always saying the right thing. He's competitive and sometimes asks for a flag, but everybody does that. How many times have we seen any of your receivers throw their hands up after they think they've been interfered. It's almost automatic now for receivers to beg for flags. QBs, from what all former and current NFL players have said, are the toughest guys out there. They stand there and get lit up and for the most part, they can't protect themselves. I've seen Brady get nailed countless of times and he just gets back up. Granted that Reed kick was cheap and he's admitted it as much, but there are a lot more @$$hats in the NFL than Brady.

He never gets in legal trouble. Is heavily involved in charity work. Is one of the most fan friendly superstars out there.

It pretty much started with this

and this

Not to mention

**RedSkins Fury** · 01-24-2013, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by PatsFan in MD

but there are a lot more @$$hats in the NFL than Brady.

We beg to differ...

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**Bigfish** · 01-24-2013, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by PatsFan in MD

You guys' dislike for Brady is somewhat creepy. The guy never says anything remotely insulting to any of his opponents. He never throws his coaches or teammates under the bus. He's always saying the right thing. He's competitive and sometimes asks for a flag, but everybody does that. How many times have we seen any of your receivers throw their hands up after they think they've been interfered. It's almost automatic now for receivers to beg for flags. QBs, from what all former and current NFL players have said, are the toughest guys out there. They stand there and get lit up and for the most part, they can't protect themselves. I've seen Brady get nailed countless of times and he just gets back up. Granted that Reed kick was cheap and he's admitted it as much, but there are a lot more @$$hats in the NFL than Brady.

He never gets in legal trouble. Is heavily involved in charity work. Is one of the most fan friendly superstars out there.

I've seen Brady play many times over the years and this is the only time I've thought he deserved to be fined, it was a cheap shot. Get over yourself, I really don't give him or the Patriots that much thought. Yeah he's a whiner and there is plenty of evidence that points to that, but he's a good quarterback and I don't hate the guy.

If you want to see what hate is, go to your beloved Patriots message board and preach to them. Compared to what's on that board, this is tame by comparison. You can't take the high ground here with your own fan base standing behind you.

**lovefootball** · 01-24-2013, 05:01 PM

Not creepy, creepy is you posting on this forum again. Thought you wouldn't be back after you told us how much better the pats were then the Ravens.Then the Ravens hold the high scoring pats to 0 points in the 2nd half and the Ravens offense (well,you already know what they did). Brady been a pain in the ass for all teams that he faced. The teams that were run over by brady,so he could pad his stats and make NFL replay weekly, probably had issues with him too. Playing poor teams with average defenses is what helped brady get to the post season. Well, the Ravens beat him twice this year, gotta be arecord broke somewhere doing that. Stop defending brady, he's a (well whatever) and just discuss the game.

**PatsFan in MD** · 01-24-2013, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by lovefootball

Not creepy, creepy is you posting on this forum again. Thought you wouldn't be back after you told us how much better the pats were then the Ravens.Then the Ravens hold the high scoring pats to 0 points in the 2nd half and the Ravens offense (well,you already know what they did). Brady been a pain in the ass for all teams that he faced. The teams that were run over by brady,so he could pad his stats and make NFL replay weekly, probably had issues with him too. Playing poor teams with average defenses is what helped brady get to the post season. Well, the Ravens beat him twice this year, gotta be arecord broke somewhere doing that. Stop defending brady, he's a (well whatever) and just discuss the game.

So you think Brady pads his stats to make NFL replay weekly?

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-24-2013, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by RedSkins Fury

I was originally talking about their WRs ducking their heads to make purposeful contact to fish/draw a flag when making a catch. Helmet-to-helmet is not illegal on a runner.

yeah but this is a good move by the receiver. (as long as they don't get their bell rung) Even incidental helmet glazing is being called

**Beau Petard** · 01-24-2013, 09:07 PM

patsfan--
FWIW, I think the enmity for Brady arises very much from the incidents that justlovemybirds posted. To Brady's credit, and from personal viewing, I see a lot less whining from him over the past x number of years than I feel like I used to see, and perhaps he's "matured" as a footballer, but his "Oh, Mr. Referee, the bad boys on defense actually touched me, where's the flag?" bullshit of yore was not what I would expect of a world class QB.

**bacchys** · 01-24-2013, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

yeah but this is a good move by the receiver. (as long as they don't get their bell rung) Even incidental helmet glazing is being called

Unless it's Pitta.

**AirFlacco** · 01-24-2013, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by JAB1985

going back to our other discussion, id still say this wasnt a fair amount. Suh's kick, while i think was intentional and dirty and has no place, was still a lot less noticeably tried and more importantly potentially damaging than what Brady did. this to me is barely acknowledging it.

Agreed!

Hey guys, keep these pics coming. They are tooooo fuinnnny. Don't let this thread die. ILMAO.

**MountaineerRaven** · 01-25-2013, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Maelstrom

She should have been fined more but at least they did fine Her Royal Highness. Has there ever been a bigger mangina in the history of the sport?

Dan Marino

**moose10101** · 01-25-2013, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by PatsFan in MD

So you think Brady pads his stats to make NFL replay weekly?

I've observed a number of games where the Pats had a 4-TD lead late in Q4 and still had Brady on the field throwing the ball (e.g. Colts and Dolphins games this year, and a number of occasions in previous years). That may be BB's way of driving a point home, but it hardly seems necessary.