Brendon Ayanbadejo plans to champion same-sex marriage at the Super Bowl

**ActualSpamBot** · 01-24-2013, 01:31 PM

This issue is close to my heart? No shit. You want to deny people I love the same rights you and I enjoy based on your own hypocritical and flawed understanding of a collection of stories written by a tribe of desert nomads between 3000 and 1800 years ago despite the fact that this country was founded on an unshakeable separation of church and state.

Don't witness to me either, it's condescending.

**Everything_Ravens** · 01-24-2013, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot

This issue is close to my heart? No shit. You want to deny people I love the same rights you and I enjoy based on your own hypocritical and flawed understanding of a collection of stories written by a tribe of desert nomads between 3000 and 1800 years ago despite the fact that this country was founded on an unshakeable separation of church and state.

Don't witness to me either, it's condescending.

As i said in my first post if anyone that is gay is offended by my stance I'm sorry. if you would like i will go back and edit it to include anyone that this issue is close to, i apologize. but to you i extended my personal apologies.

**wickedsolo** · 01-24-2013, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Everything_Ravens

no, no! First you need to realize that i wasn't "owned" as your previous post would suggest.

its not about picking what you want its what the word says. The second part of the Bible (The New Testament) abolishes the laws of old.

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace; Ephesian 2:15

with respect to you, dont just argue with me for the sake of your pride or argument sake if you already know that you don't know what your talking about.

So...God said "You know what fellas? I'm sorry, I was a little harsh back then...had a drinking problem...but that's in the past now! Here you go. Here's the new ish. BOOM. I just blew your mind."

**festivus** · 01-24-2013, 02:18 PM

Oppressing a minority and apologizing while you're doing it does not make it ok to continue oppressing.

**HoustonRaven** · 01-24-2013, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by festivus

Oppressing a minority and apologizing while you're doing it does not make it ok to continue oppressing.

Umm. Wat?

How is he oppressing anyone? He's giving his opinion (albeit a misinformed one).

**Everything_Ravens** · 01-24-2013, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

So...God said "You know what fellas? I'm sorry, I was a little harsh back then...had a drinking problem...but that's in the past now! Here you go. Here's the new ish. BOOM. I just blew your mind."

lol...no not so much

**festivus** · 01-24-2013, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Umm. Wat?

How is he oppressing anyone? He's giving his opinion (albeit a misinformed one).

Eh. I suppose.

Just glad people like that don't have the keys to the kingdom.

**ActualSpamBot** · 01-24-2013, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Umm. Wat?

How is he oppressing anyone? He's giving his opinion (albeit a misinformed one).

Assuming he votes, he was narrowly defeated in our recent referendum on gay marriage, had that referendum failed, gays in Maryland would still lack the rights they deserve because people like him express that opinion at the ballots.

**RavenScallywag** · 01-24-2013, 03:11 PM

So has this officially migrated to a discussion on same sex marriage and whether we support or don't support?

In the case of BA, I see no issue with him stating his support for it if he's asked about it, nor would I take issue with him mentioning it in an interview if they want to know about what he does outside of football.

Different story if he's trying to make it a spectacle or cause a major distraction. Doubt that is the case though. Also, we're not talking about a guy who will have a ton of media on him. He's not even in the top 10 of popular Ravens...

**RavenScallywag** · 01-24-2013, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by festivus

Just glad people like that don't have the keys to the kingdom.

This almost sounds like religious rhetoric...I'm on your side, but let's just leave religion out of it. Makes our side look like we're trying to attack religion, which we're not.

**festivus** · 01-24-2013, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

This almost sounds like religious rhetoric...I'm on your side, but let's just leave religion out of it. Makes our side look like we're trying to attack religion, which we're not.

No idea what you're talking about. Religion had nothing to do with my post.

And FWIW I have no problem bringing religion into a debate, as long as it's clearly labeled and taken for what it's worth. I'm not a fan of religion masquerading as social science but if someone says "Because of my faith I have to vote this way," at least I understand that. The OP is an excellent example of religion masquerading as something else, which here was distaste for BA's decision to speak about his personal views.

The problem wasn't BA, the problem was the views, but the OP didn't concede that until much later in the thread, and it wasn't until later than *that* that he finally got around to admitting it's all because of religion.

Just say up front "This is my faith and that's why I oppose so-and-so," but don't hide behind weak digs at BA or absurd claims about science. Call it what it is: Faith-based bigotry.

**NCRAVEN** · 01-24-2013, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by festivus

No idea what you're talking about. Religion had nothing to do with my post.

And FWIW I have no problem bringing religion into a debate, as long as it's clearly labeled and taken for what it's worth. I'm not a fan of religion masquerading as social science but if someone says "Because of my faith I have to vote this way," at least I understand that. The OP is an excellent example of religion masquerading as something else, which here was distaste for BA's decision to speak about his personal views.

The problem wasn't BA, the problem was the views, but the OP didn't concede that until much later in the thread, and it wasn't until later than *that* that he finally got around to admitting it's all because of religion.

Just say up front "This is my faith and that's why I oppose so-and-so," but don't hide behind weak digs at BA or absurd claims about science. Call it what it is: Faith-based bigotry.

Help me out here so we can move past name calling.

How is a religion being bigoted by saying, we think God made man and women to be partners and it's unnatural for man and man or women and women to be together?

**Everything_Ravens** · 01-24-2013, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by festivus

No idea what you're talking about. Religion had nothing to do with my post.

And FWIW I have no problem bringing religion into a debate, as long as it's clearly labeled and taken for what it's worth. I'm not a fan of religion masquerading as social science but if someone says "Because of my faith I have to vote this way," at least I understand that. The OP is an excellent example of religion masquerading as something else, which here was distaste for BA's decision to speak about his personal views.

The problem wasn't BA, the problem was the views, but the OP didn't concede that until much later in the thread, and it wasn't until later than *that* that he finally got around to admitting it's all because of religion.

Just say up front "This is my faith and that's why I oppose so-and-so," but don't hide behind weak digs at BA or absurd claims about science. Call it what it is: Faith-based bigotry.

So what your saying is that if i opened the thread by saying i have a problem with BA doing this because of my beliefs then everything would be ok? you are assuming that i was hiding that (or masquerading as you put it) , as though i have to explain why i have a problem with everything that i have a problem with up front, or other wise be deemed as hateful if my substantiating reasons come out later. if someone would have asked me why, i would have told them up front.

**RavenScallywag** · 01-24-2013, 04:40 PM

Let's steer this one way or another...

Everything_Raven (and anyone else who is anti-same sex marriage on this thread), are you making these comments because you don't want BA making ANY comments about same sex marriage equality PERIOD, or are you making these comments because you don't want him doing this during Media Day?

Reading the blog post can be a bit misleading, but it mentions his ultimate goal is to win the Super Bowl and go on Ellen to discuss same sex marriage rights. Not exactly like he's planning rallies and skipping practice, or causing a major distraction during Media Day.

So are we going to have a debate about the issue itself? Or just BA supporting the issue itself? Or BA supporting the issue in a proactive manner during SB week?

**festivus** · 01-24-2013, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Everything_Ravens

So what your saying is that if i opened the thread by saying i have a problem with BA doing this because of my beliefs then everything would be ok? you are assuming that i was hiding that (or masquerading as you put it) , as though i have to explain why i have a problem with everything that i have a problem with up front, or other wise be deemed as hateful if my substantiating reasons come out later. if someone would have asked me why, i would have told them up front.

You *were* hiding it.

You said you were tired of *him*. Not what he was saying, but him:

Originally Posted by Everything_Ravens

Really man give it a rest, this annoys me!

If anyone on this board is gay and offended by my stance on this I'm sorry but i just do not agree with this. He has been doing this stuff all year and now you're going to use the Super Bowl as a platform. i know everyone on the team doesn't agree with this.

This is the kind of thing you do on your free time not as a representative of the ravens!

Then after a while you let us know you didn't approve of gay marriage.

Then you started in with your "Think about the kids" nonsense, which is a complete fiction because children of homosexual parents grow up just fine.

Only after you were challenged on *that* did you say it's because of your faith.

I'm not saying "everything would have been ok" if you'd been honest up front.

But we could have skipped a bunch of steps in the thread that followed. And oh by the way, the team has no problem with him speaking out. As you perhaps remember.

**Everything_Ravens** · 01-24-2013, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by festivus

You *were* hiding it.

You said you were tired of *him*. Not what he was saying, but him:

Then after a while you let us know you didn't approve of gay marriage.

Then you started in with your "Think about the kids" nonsense, which is a complete fiction because children of homosexual parents grow up just fine.

Only after you were challenged on *that* did you say it's because of your faith.

I'm not saying "everything would have been ok" if you'd been honest up front.

But we could have skipped a bunch of steps in the thread that followed. And oh by the way, the team has no problem with him speaking out. As you perhaps remember.

wow.... for all of the effort that u put in typing this up, i mean asterisk around the words and everything, you have still failed miserably to say anything of fact. you need to go back and read the thread, your account of things is off.

And then as if lying on me for an entire post wasn't enough you top it off by lying on the entire team as if Matt Birk didnt go on record as saying dont redefine marriage www.startribune.com/opinion/commentaries/171850721.html

i cant with you anymore dude.....

**festivus** · 01-24-2013, 09:02 PM

Why shouldn't Matt Birk give his opinion too? You were the one saying someone should be quiet. That wasn't me.

It's true I said a few things that weren't facts. Here, for instance, is a non-fact:

Treat like cases alike. Mind your own business. What your neighbors do on their time with their own consenting loved ones is not your concern.

See? Those are not facts. I have loads more. Just because they aren't facts doesn't mean they are wrong.

It's ok. Justice is a rising tide.

**Everything_Ravens** · 01-24-2013, 09:30 PM

Festivus!

Lets play a game, it will be like a scavenger hunt of sorts if you will. IM EXCITED!!

Ok..here are some things that you have just recently supposed i said and took place in this discussion.

1. You said you were tired of *him*. Not what he was saying, but him:
2.after you were challenged on *that* did you say it's because of your faith.
3. edit: You were the one saying someone should be quiet.
4.You *were* hiding it.

i want you to go back in this thread and find where i said any of this, or where the sequence of events happened as you said they did.

then in the bonus round you can double your points by proving
1.children of homosexual parents grow up just fine.
2.the team has no problem with him speaking out.

when your finished wrestling all that up bring it back to me and then we can talk. but until then i have nothing else to say to you

**festivus** · 01-24-2013, 09:55 PM

I don't feel like reading all your posts to you, but I do owe you a source for the Ravens backing Ayanbadejo's decision to speak out. Here it is. I'm sure they also supported Birk speaking up, though as far as I recall they never said so.

You can read all your own posts again, if you want. I responded to them when & how I thought appropriate.

I'm not trying to change your mind. I just don't like to see bigotry go unchallenged; I'd hate to think the readers of our forum think poorly of the board because of an intolerant few.

**Everything_Ravens** · 01-24-2013, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by festivus

I just don't like to see bigotry go unchallenged; I'd hate to think the readers of our forum think poorly of the board because of an intolerant few.

no you rather them think its ok to call people bigots because of their religion. and you would rather them read a forum were people will lie and say that they said something that was never said, to try and support their own argument.

0x2=0

Good Night to all