Ozzie on Cam's firing

[TL24x7]

just my $.02 but I agree with alien^. Harbs was never on the hot seat and the decision was his. Did he have discussions with management and Biscotti? Likely he did but you have to let the head coach make those decisions or how could you ever hold him accountable? Either way it worked out well for all involved... so far

Hot seat means you are on notice. And when the owner makes a power move to make a change in the coaching staff because the coach can't or won't, the move alone suggests that the coach isn't doing what he's suppose to do and by default ends up on the hot seat.

Clearly now he is no longer on that seat.

I'm just sharing what I can. You guys can and obviously have made up your own minds about what happened.

[pickles]

Hot seat means you are on notice. And when the owner makes a power move to make a change in the coaching staff because the coach can't or won't, the move alone suggests that the coach isn't doing what he's suppose to do and by default ends up on the hot seat.

Clearly now he is no longer on that seat.

I'm just sharing what I can. You guys can and obviously have made up your own minds about what happened.

So Harbs was "on notice" and the proof that he was on notice is an equally unprovable theory that Bisciotti forced the Cam decision.

That's pretty much the definition of circular logic.

If anybody thinks they were going to fire Harbaugh, after five straight playoff appearances, they are seriously deluded.

IMO, the idea of a group decision seems like the most plausible and the most like the org.'s MO.

[rlh445]

I like how on one hand people are saying that Biscuit is a very smart owner and will do what's best for the team and in the same breath say Harbs was on the 'hot seat' after doing nothing but winning for five years and getting a text from Bisciotti while down in Denver by a touchdown with minutes left in the game stating that no matter what happens, he was proud of the team. That doesn't quite add up. I'm sure it was a group decision that everyone agreed with because that's what makes the most sense given how the entire front office has run since Steve took over full ownership.

I'm willing to say that it's very possible that perhaps Bisciotti said to John, 'Well man what's going on?! You need to right this ship,' and that forced Harbs to admit what he's probably known for at least a couple of years: Cam wasn't going to change and it was bringing down the entire team starting with his franchise QB. I don't think he said, 'If you don't make the necessary changes (COUGH CAM COUGH) you're done here,'.

[StingerNLG]

The problem here is that there is no evidence to suggest that Bisciotti forced/threatened/coerced/etc: Harbaugh to get rid of Cam. And I doubt very highly with 5 years of winning and already 2 AFCC games that he walked into John's office and said "Fire Cam or else".

Not to mention we've heard NOTHING from the "anonymous" team source on this to guys like Mike Preston. Remember during the whole Billick thing stuff got leaked out to Preston? Nothing from him on this. In fact, I think he has said on the air once or twice that this was Harbaugh's call.

When Bisciotti wanted to make an example of Brian Billick, he had no trouble doing it in front of the media. Ozzie's statement wasn't just a "we don't discuss personnel matters", or "this was a team decision". This was an emphatic "no, we did not have anything to do with Cam's firing".

I just don't buy this one.

[Captain Silver]

The problem here is that there is no evidence to suggest that Bisciotti forced/threatened/coerced/etc: Harbaugh to get rid of Cam. And I doubt very highly with 5 years of winning and already 2 AFCC games that he walked into John's office and said "Fire Cam or else".

Not to mention we've heard NOTHING from the "anonymous" team source on this to guys like Mike Preston. Remember during the whole Billick thing stuff got leaked out to Preston? Nothing from him on this. In fact, I think he has said on the air once or twice that this was Harbaugh's call.

When Bisciotti wanted to make an example of Brian Billick, he had no trouble doing it in front of the media. Ozzie's statement wasn't just a "we don't discuss personnel matters", or "this was a team decision". This was an emphatic "no, we did not have anything to do with Cam's firing".

I just don't buy this one.

Well if Preston said it was John's call then it really must have been the Biscuit

[TL24x7]

So Harbs was "on notice" and the proof that he was on notice is an equally unprovable theory that Bisciotti forced the Cam decision.

That's pretty much the definition of circular logic.

If anybody thinks they were going to fire Harbaugh, after five straight playoff appearances, they are seriously deluded.

IMO, the idea of a group decision seems like the most plausible and the most like the org.'s MO.

Just trying to share what I've learned. Take it for what it's worth which to you apparently isn't much.

You are now free to move about the circular cabin...

[ballhawk]

You all know that Tony is a lot closer to the situation then any of us are, right?

[MarkS]

You all know that Tony is a lot closer to the situation then any of us are, right?

Sure. Closer than Ozzie? Yea...no.

So we have a choice to believe an unnamed "source" developed by a guy who runs a fan website, or the senior front office official of the organization, who went on record. The only way Tony is right and Ozzie wrong, is if Ozzie himself is part of the conspiracy to cover up the truth.

Everyone here is entitled to choose what to believe, obv. I believe Ozzie...guess I'm just being naive.

[Navy Raven]

The only thing that matters is CAM IS GONE

[Paintballguy]

The only thing that matters is CAM IS GONE

Yep who cares at this point. He's gone and were in the dance


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[Haloti92]

Sure. Closer than Ozzie? Yea...no.

So we have a choice to believe an unnamed "source" developed by a guy who runs a fan website, or the senior front office official of the organization, who went on record. The only way Tony is right and Ozzie wrong, is if Ozzie himself is part of the conspiracy to cover up the truth.

Everyone here is entitled to choose what to believe, obv. I believe Ozzie...guess I'm just being naive.

You are being a bit naive, imo. Because there is absolutely no good that can come out of announcing/admitting that Harbaugh was pressured at this point (and there is bad that can come from it). Therefore there is no real chance that Ozzie says that, regardless of what actually happened. As soon as you realize that his answer is going to be what it was in all possible cases, then you can completely dismiss its value. Doesn't indicate that there was pressure, but neither does it rule it out; his answer doesn't help us at all.

[HoustonRaven]

Just trying to share what I've learned. Take it for what it's worth which to you apparently isn't much.

You are now free to move about the circular cabin...

Got your back on this one.