Koch

**BIGBALL** · 02-07-2013, 09:50 AM

With all of Joe & Jacoby and the rest of the crews great play down the stretch it didn't get talked about much - but was it me or did Koch really struggle down the stretch? Not just the shanked punt in the Super Bowl, but he didn't seem to be himself for the last month or so. I know some games were in the cold, but the other punters punted fine in the same conditions.

Thoughts?

**esmd** · 02-07-2013, 09:53 AM

Maybe he was hurt. He made some tackles on ST that could've banged him up. At this point, I'm not concerned at all.

**Bufflehead** · 02-07-2013, 09:55 AM

I think he has been off for 1.5 years or so. He puts a ton of those short field kicks in the endzone, a lot more than he used to. If it saves cap $$$ I'd have no problem moving on even though he has been above avg over the years.

**festivus** · 02-07-2013, 09:59 AM

I noticed. I thought it was his worst game punting as a pro. Perhaps, as esmd suggests, he was hurt, though I don't think he had a decent punt all game.

Maybe he needed to get it out of his system and he'll do better next time we get to the Big Dance.

**TheOrioleWay** · 02-07-2013, 10:11 AM

I'm glad you posted this; I was going to, but felt weird about complaining about ANYTHING at this wonderful time!

I've always been a HUGE fan of Koch, but he's been sub-par lately. Not only the bad punts, but the number of punts going into the end zone. He's hitting them dead center instead of angling toward the 5-10 yard line like he used to.

If he's not hurt, it may be time to go shopping.

(His QB rating is great, though

**bt12483** · 02-07-2013, 10:22 AM

I've noticed his issues too.

Not sure what it is, but he needs to clean it up.

Punting from the 40 yard line and getting a net of 20 yards because of a touchback is not good. The shanked punt was horrible, and I kind of knew he was going to do it.

Hopefully the Ravens staff has seen this stuff and correct it.

**moose10101** · 02-07-2013, 11:03 AM

This year: 28 inside the 20, 7 touchbacks (20% touchbacks)
Last year: 21 inside the 20, 9 touchbacks (30% touchbacks)

He actually improved during the regular season vs. 2011. His net and avg return were also much better, but that's because special teams were much better.

I didn't see a problem until playoff time.

**jonboy79** · 02-07-2013, 11:14 AM

With so many late rund picks(4 comp plus natural picks) I'm starting to cme around to cutting Koch and replacing him on the cheap(sae for Vonta). I like both players, but you gotta cut corners sometimes, and these seem like acceptable corners to cut.

**lobachevsky** · 02-07-2013, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

With so many late rund picks(4 comp plus natural picks) I'm starting to cme around to cutting Koch and replacing him on the cheap(sae for Vonta). I like both players, but you gotta cut corners sometimes, and these seem like acceptable corners to cut.

Maybe. But I'd like to replace him with a good punter who's also a football player. I love Tucker to death for his foot, but if Koch is the guy with the ball on that fake FG (not that he could've been the way the play was designed, but hear me out) he bulls his way for the extra yard to get the first down.

**festivus** · 02-07-2013, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

With so many late rund picks(4 comp plus natural picks) I'm starting to cme around to cutting Koch and replacing him on the cheap(sae for Vonta). I like both players, but you gotta cut corners sometimes, and these seem like acceptable corners to cut.

What are the cap implications? I don't remember seeing Koch referenced in Ravor's article....

edit: Here it is.

Sam Koch ($1.9M)

That $1.9M is his base salary. If he can be cut with no dead money, we can surely get a competent rookie for a significant savings. I'm sure the FO and coaching staff are more in tune with Koch's current capabilities than I am.

**Bmore13** · 02-07-2013, 11:52 AM

I agree that Sam should be analyzed, BUT his 60+ yard free kick to end the Super Bowl to Ginn was money !!!!! I was praying he wouldn't shank it and have the 49ers fair catch it to set up a long Akers field goal attempt...

**Beau Petard** · 02-07-2013, 11:56 AM

Not to stray too far OT, but in considering the comments about "short field" punts that hit the end zone for touchbacks, what in the wide world of sports ever happened to the sweet science of "coffin corner" kicks? I don't see enough games to know if I've just been living under a rock in a cave, but can somebody call David Lee and see if he's available? (if not for punting, then at least as a punter adviser!

)

**dc369** · 02-07-2013, 12:41 PM

C'mon man! How many guys in NFL history had a game winning punt in the Super Bowl?

**Boulderraven** · 02-07-2013, 12:50 PM

Koch, didnt have a great year.

But, he was pretty bad in the entire playoffs basically. His punt were in the center of the field often, he rarely pinned anyone inside the 20. He was "awful" in the SB except for the "running around the endzone safety and didnt panic". his puntoff was a boomer with great hang time. That's why they used him instead of the rookie for Hangtime, but it was in the middle of the feild also. He may be injured and never revealed it. He is a great holder however for Tucker which cant be overlooked, especially for a rookie kicker. I doubt he is let go. I expect a bounce back season. If they had lost the SB, he would of been one of the goats.

**Boulderraven** · 02-07-2013, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Beau Petard

Not to stray too far OT, but in considering the comments about "short field" punts that hit the end zone for touchbacks, what in the wide world of sports ever happened to the sweet science of "coffin corner" kicks? I don't see enough games to know if I've just been living under a rock in a cave, but can somebody call David Lee and see if he's available? (if not for punting, then at least as a punter adviser!

)

Coffin corner kicks have been a dying art, mainly because the punters in college and even high school are taught to put backspin on thier punts to back bounce backwards and not in the endzone. Thats why you see returnmen faircatch punts inside the 15 yard line and 10 yard line because it usually wont roll in the endzone. It used to be a golden rule never catch a punt inside the 10, but because of this backspin they use the ball will bounce and usually go straight up in the air, die or go back a few yards and downed.

**BIGBALL** · 02-07-2013, 01:02 PM

In no way am I saying to let him go - that is up to the Ravens to decide. I just wonder if he has a small nagging injury isn't talking about so it isn't listed on the injury report. And I'm not saying he was really bad all year, just struggled pretty noticeably in the playofs in my eyes...

**leachisabeast** · 02-07-2013, 01:33 PM

If 1.2M is what we save outright from cutting him, and if there's not much dead money involved, I say why not? We can find another Justin Tucker but this time at punter.

**pslholder96** · 02-07-2013, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Bmore13

I agree that Sam should be analyzed, BUT his 60+ yard free kick to end the Super Bowl to Ginn was money !!!!! I was praying he wouldn't shank it and have the 49ers fair catch it to set up a long Akers field goal attempt...

We would still have won the game then because the niners needed a TD

**jonboy79** · 02-07-2013, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

We would still have won the game then because the niners needed a TD

did you watch teh same game as the rest of us? The ne that ended 34 to 31??

**CoverD** · 02-07-2013, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by lobachevsky

Maybe. But I'd like to replace him with a good punter who's also a football player. I love Tucker to death for his foot, but if Koch is the guy with the ball on that fake FG (not that he could've been the way the play was designed, but hear me out) he bulls his way for the extra yard to get the first down.

You can't really complain with what Tucker did though. I mean, if the game came down to a FG, would you really want to risk Tucker getting hurt there?

I mean Akers looked iffy after that "roughing the kicker" call.