Ongoing Flacco Contract Negotiations (Merged)

[RavensRule21215]

Did it? I seem to remember questions about some of these contracts. I specifically remember one guy (although it may have been on Sunspot) talking about Leach's deal (one of the etcs.) and repeatedly using the phrase "fullbacks are a dime a dozen".

Also, were any of those signings affected by that one year of no cap restrictions? Could that be why the protests were much more low key?

Questions here and there, which very well may have appeared in the past, are one thing. There have been RAMPANT posts here stating that if Joe wants THAT much money it's going to hurt the team around him. NOTHING like that existed prior to the discussions about Joe's contract, despite the fact that those huge over payments HAVE affected the cap and the ability to sign better players. It's a total crock. And a total hypocrisy. And apparently, the owner himself agrees. So it's not necessary to even debate it any further.

[Dirt1]

"I trust Ozzie that he and Joe are going to come to an agreement that Joe's happy with and I'm happy with. It would be unfair for me to throw the old 'how much money you get means how much less we can build a team around you.' That's kind of a crock. Because I think the difference between his numbers and Ozzie's numbers are enough for a backup safety." -Bisciotti

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...linta/1890813/

Then the deal should definately be done before the start of FA, and there should be no reason to franchise Flacco. Let's see what happens.

[B-more Ravor]

Fine. Yet where was this line of thinking when it came to Suggs, Ngata, Reed, Lewis, Rice, etc? To me, it's just way too hypocritical to lay it all on Joe, while all this other over spending went on without comment. Joe is more important than all those other players. Period.

Because we weren't talking about $20M+ per year and those guys weren't going to be taking up 1/6th of the team's Salary Cap.

Not to mention that with Suggs and Ngata, the Salary Cap was actually HIGHER than it is now - and again, they weren't taking up such a huge percentage of the Cap.

[B-more Ravor]

There have been RAMPANT posts here stating that if Joe wants THAT much money it's going to hurt the team around him. .

Dude, we're on page 19 of this thread and very few have actually said that. Stop exaggerating. Stop taking it so personally.

In fact, the only person that seems to be continuing to say that is YOU when you refer to others saying it (when there's been very little of it).

[Paintballguy]

“I would say to you, of the other 52 players on the roster, how many of the other 52 [took less money]?” said Linta, who has argued Flacco should be the highest-paid quarterback in the league. “Do you work with [the Ravens] in terms of structure to help them out? Absolutely. But like I said, we all took risks. And I don’t think anybody was gonna feel sorry for Joe if he turned down a contract in July and didn’t have a great year and now was faced with less than what we’re talking about. Look, there’s risk on both sides, and somebody could be saying to the Ravens, ‘Hey, don’t you think it’s worth sacrificing some areas of your team to keep your franchise quarterback?’ There’s arguments on both sides, believe me.”

So the goal, as Linta explained it, is to “be creative with the contract to get what you want and structure so that it helps the Ravens and doesn’t put them in a bad place cap-wise.”

[B-more Ravor]

“I would say to you, of the other 52 players on the roster, how many of the other 52 [took less money]?” said Linta, who has argued Flacco should be the highest-paid quarterback in the league. “Do you work with [the Ravens] in terms of structure to help them out? Absolutely. But like I said, we all took risks. And I don’t think anybody was gonna feel sorry for Joe if he turned down a contract in July and didn’t have a great year and now was faced with less than what we’re talking about. Look, there’s risk on both sides, and somebody could be saying to the Ravens, ‘Hey, don’t you think it’s worth sacrificing some areas of your team to keep your franchise quarterback?’ There’s arguments on both sides, believe me.”

So the goal, as Linta explained it, is to “be creative with the contract to get what you want and structure so that it helps the Ravens and doesn’t put them in a bad place cap-wise.”

LOL, yeah that was an earth-shattering piece "master of the obvious" journalism there from Florio, wasn't it?

As pretty much everyone has been saying, Flacco will get paid, but it can be done in a way to minimize it's impact on the Cap in 2013.

[RavensRule21215]

Because we weren't talking about $20M+ per year and those guys weren't going to be taking up 1/6th of the team's Salary Cap.

Not to mention that with Suggs and Ngata, the Salary Cap was actually HIGHER than it is now - and again, they weren't taking up such a huge percentage of the Cap.

Are you saying that Ngata and Suggs combined did not take up 20% of the cap in 2012? If not, then how much did they take up?

[B-more Ravor]

Are you saying that Ngata and Suggs combined did not take up 20% of the cap in 2012? If not, then how much did they take up?

Umm, no, that had nothing to do with what WE were talking about.

You said:

......where was this line of thinking when it came to Suggs, Ngata, Reed, Lewis, Rice, etc? To me, it's just way too hypocritical to lay it all on Joe, while all this other over spending went on without comment.......

Note, you mentioned several players (Suggs, Ngata, Reed, Lewis, Rice, etc) and referred to when they were signed. I responded about "those guys" and the time that those contracts were signed.

Now, stop trying to move the goalposts.

I was just pointing out that the contracts for NONE of the players that you mentioned were/are anywhere as large as Flacco's and that the Cap was higher at the time that many of those deals were signed. So, there wasn't much/any complaining when those deals were signed (not that many are really complaining now) because their deals weren't of the size of Flacco's and didn't have as huge of an impact on the team's Cap as Flacco's will.

[B-more Ravor]

Great piece on National Football Post about the Cap implications of using either of the Franchise Tags:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...oe-Flacco.html

[RavensRule21215]

Umm, no, that had nothing to do with what WE were talking about.

You said:



Note, you mentioned several players (Suggs, Ngata, Reed, Lewis, Rice, etc) and referred to when they were signed. I responded about "those guys" and the time that those contracts were signed.

Now, stop trying to move the goalposts.

I was just pointing out that the contracts for NONE of the players that you mentioned were/are anywhere as large as Flacco's and that the Cap was higher at the time that many of those deals were signed. So, there wasn't much/any complaining when those deals were signed (not that many are really complaining now) because their deals weren't of the size of Flacco's and didn't have as huge of an impact on the team's Cap as Flacco's will.

Move the goalposts? Just answer the question. How much of the cap did Ngata and Suggs take up in 2012? What's the problem in answering a simple question, dude? Don't take it personally or anything. You're the cap expert, right?

Because to a non cap expert, it appears as if, heading into 2013, Suggs is taking up $13M, and Ngata is taking up $11.5M. So that's 24.5M. For 2 players, who aren't quarterbacks. Hmmmmmmmmm....

[iggyman555]

Teams were contemplating a franchise-tag run at Flacco before the postseason

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...he-postseason/

[jonboy79]

Move the goalposts? Just answer the question. How much of the cap did Ngata and Suggs take up in 2012? What's the problem in answering a simple question, dude? Don't take it personally or anything. You're the cap expert, right?

Because to a non cap expert, it appears as if, heading into 2013, Suggs is taking up $13M, and Ngata is taking up $11.5M. So that's 24.5M. For 2 players, who aren't quarterbacks. Hmmmmmmmmm....

I think you are correct... and what's your point? Yes, 2 of the very best defensive players in all of football compose 20% roughly of our cap. Where is the issue?

[Ravens27Girl]

Teams were contemplating a franchise-tag run at Flacco before the postseason

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...he-postseason/

Can you see Flacco in a Browns uniform? I think it's safe to say that day will never come. I think Joe would retire from football first. Flacco has pretty much stated he is a Raven for life so I'm sure a deal will be worked out.

[Paintballguy]

Can you see Flacco in a Browns uniform? I think it's safe to say that day will never come. I think Joe would retire from football first. Flacco has pretty much stated he is a Raven for life so I'm sure a deal will be worked out.

There is no way Flacco is going anywhere. The FO will give him the exclusive tag as a worst case scenario, but I expect they'll get a deal done before they have to use a tag.

[psuasskicker]

I think you are correct... and what's your point? Yes, 2 of the very best defensive players in all of football compose 20% roughly of our cap. Where is the issue?

Yeah, agree. Most teams spend a ton of cap space on a couple studs, pay good players a chunk of space, and then fill the rest out with young draft picks and role players. This shouldn't shock anyone.

- C -

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Great piece on National Football Post about the Cap implications of using either of the Franchise Tags:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...oe-Flacco.html

Good stuff.

It sounds bad, but I think we can clear $10-12 million with minimal damage...at least not the cap disaster the media is trying to make it out to be.

Someone...I can't forget who it was, but they put out a list of cuts that would clear upwards of $15-16 million that would cause minimal damage IMHO...I'd extend Boldin and Jacoby instead of cutting one or the other.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

I think you are correct... and what's your point? Yes, 2 of the very best defensive players in all of football compose 20% roughly of our cap. Where is the issue?

Yeah, agree. Most teams spend a ton of cap space on a couple studs, pay good players a chunk of space, and then fill the rest out with young draft picks and role players. This shouldn't shock anyone.

- C -

Yeah...does this guy think that no other top teams have non-QB's with cap numbers that high?

The only teams that don't, are teams that don't have many good players.

Andre Johnson, and Jonathan Joseph take up over $25 million of the Texans cap.

Vince Wilfork and Logan Mankins take up over $20.5 million of the Patriots cap.

There are numerous other instances...good teams have more highly paid players than just the QB.

The Falcons are going to have to deal with this next year with Matt Ryan...the 49ers will have to deal with Kapernick in 2 years...both have other players who are taking up big chunks of the cap now.

[Paintballguy]

Megatron and Suh will be a 30 mil cap hit for next season for the Lions.

[RavensRule21215]

Megatron and Suh will be a 30 mil cap hit for next season for the Lions.

Do Suggs and Ngata deliver the same bang for the buck as Megatron and Suh?

[jonboy79]

Do Suggs and Ngata deliver the same bang for the buck as Megatron and Suh?

Pronbably... Ngata as injured as he's been has still clearly outplayed Suh, and Suggs was DPOY last year.. and are cheaper