Ray Lewis PED Allegations (Merged)

**RavenScallywag** · 01-29-2013, 03:08 PM

He's trying to rep sales by saying "Look, Ray took our stuff and he's BACK"

He's ALSO trying to claim that it SHOULDN'T be banned.

**NJRaven** · 01-29-2013, 03:10 PM

the stuff is a total sham. some of the things on the banned list are, in the words of joe flacco, ret... stupid.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 01-29-2013, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by B-more Ravor

My guess - and purely a guess - is that if there is any IGF-1 in the substance, it's so minimal to not be detectable enough to trigger a positive result.

Also, if this substance was such as to be banned by the NFL - and other sports leagues - what would be the strippers angle here? It's not like publicity about peddling a banned substance is really going to help sales. In fact, it would likely call into question his whole line of products.

Or, perhaps, he's just a moron (which actually is probably the case either way).

His angle is obvious to me...he wants publicity for his company AND he is an idiot.

He wanted Ray to point out that he took his products and to point to them as a reason for his remarkable recovery. Ray apparently didn't do that so he "outed him".

But he is a complete idiot as well IMHO because no player is going to want to deal with him or his products if the player knows they can't publicly acknowledge his products due to league rules, yet will out them with recorded conversations if they don't.

**RedSkins Fury** · 01-29-2013, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

He's ALSO trying to claim that it SHOULDN'T be banned.

It's shouldn't... I understand it's probably in a concentrated form (how concentrated). But hell, we eat venison, what would stop us or wrong with eating the velvet from their rack?

**leachisabeast** · 01-29-2013, 03:13 PM

In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if its true or not, its his last game, what are the NFL gonna do to him? He didn't break any laws either, so its not like he has to face any issues outside of football either.

**HoustonRaven** · 01-29-2013, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if its true or not, its his last game, what are the NFL gonna do to him? He didn't break any laws either, so its not like he has to face any issues outside of football either.

Its ESPN and his future gig that's waving a big happy good bye if this gets worse.

**outlander512** · 01-29-2013, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by RedSkins Fury

It's shouldn't... I understand it's probably in a concentrated form (how concentrated). But hell, we eat venison, what would stop us or wrong with eating the velvet from their rack?

Because its a magical deer from New Zealand that grows antlers very fast.

**admartian** · 01-29-2013, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by outlander512

Because its a magical deer from New Zealand that grows antlers very fast.

It's true. Same deer that the Hobbits here ride.

**RedSkins Fury** · 01-29-2013, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if its true or not, its his last game, what are the NFL gonna do to him? He didn't break any laws either, so its not like he has to face any issues outside of football either.

How do the Pats/Belicheck Super Bowls look in hind site? How does Brady look after the kick?

**RedSkins Fury** · 01-29-2013, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by admartian

It's true. Same deer that the Hobbits here ride.

But you can eat those too.... right?

**Boulderraven** · 01-29-2013, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

His angle is obvious to me...he wants publicity for his company AND he is an idiot.

He wanted Ray to point out that he took his products and to point to them as a reason for his remarkable recovery. Ray apparently didn't do that so he "outed him".

But he is a complete idiot as well IMHO because no player is going to want to deal with him or his products if the player knows they can't publicly acknowledge his products due to league rules, yet will out them with recorded conversations if they don't.

He is a smart marketer. He just got tons of free publicity and will have thousands of regular people buying his crap. He just made millions from the general public, I'm sure pro's make up a very small percent of his sales. He just tapped into the masses and all the gym rats and meatheads. It was a brilliant move, IMO for his move. He is going to get SB publicity all week which cost millions per a 30 second ad.

**Boulderraven** · 01-29-2013, 03:22 PM

Maybe guys will rub this stuff on their wangs.

**leachisabeast** · 01-29-2013, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Its ESPN and his future gig that's waving a big happy good bye if this gets worse.

yeah, its totally worse than what Michael Irvin did...

ESPN job out of the window, next opportunity will arise just like that for him.

**Ravenswintitle** · 01-29-2013, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by NJRaven

the stuff is a total sham. some of the things on the banned list are, in the words of joe flacco, ret... stupid.

yeah if that stuff worked I'd be drinking it. It doesn't

**leachisabeast** · 01-29-2013, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by outlander512

Because its a magical deer from New Zealand that grows antlers very fast.

Post of the week!

**NOLARavenFAN** · 01-29-2013, 03:23 PM

The Pats SECRETLY filmed practice sessions of their opponents.......LOL, that is the lowest scum-bag move possible.

**outlander512** · 01-29-2013, 03:23 PM

Honestly, this thing isnt a huge deal short term, but it will taint his legacy. And honestly, the guy who pedals the product is a scumbag who is waiting to "out" people who use his product if they dont endorse it, even though endorsing it would effectively out yourself since it band by the nfl. Having said all that, I kind of believe that Ray took this product one way or another. He admits to getting the products. So he took all of the ones he got, just not the one banned one? And if you watch him respond in his media hour, he seems like hes being dishonest. It seems he cant say too much because he needs to get with the PR team and figure out what can and cant be said so he is not caught in and obvious lie. He laughs it off as its soo crazy, and cites something two years ago, which is not even what is being talked about this time around. And he scoffs at it, and it just seems like the same kind of response that guilty pro atheletes have been given for the past 20 years. Im sure tons of players are on tons of things, but i wish this didnt come out, because it truly can ruin his legacy, and will raise more doubts about the "unsolved"(though they are solved) murders.

**HoustonRaven** · 01-29-2013, 03:23 PM

Stages of grief in full effect right now in this thread .....

**somedumbguy** · 01-29-2013, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by RedSkins Fury

But you can eat those too.... right?

Hobbits? Yes. Very tasty.

**Hammerhead** · 01-29-2013, 03:37 PM

Questions: If the NFL knew about these SWAT allegations since the 2010 season, what have they done to implement testing of this IGF-1 substance? What notice did they give to the players named in that article? Is it true that there is still no testing of this substance? If not, why not?

Ray's state of mind goes into this. Before I crucify the guy, I would like to know whether or not he knew this was a banned substance. Hue Jackson was told to disassociate from SWATs. Was Ray told the same? Was he told it contained a banned substance?

I am not such a fool that I don't think these guys don't take vitamins/supplements, etc., to help their performance. At base, that is what Gatorade is. The real issues are: are they taking substances that give them an unfair advantage? Were those substances banned by the NFL? Did they know those substances are banned?

If the NFL warned Ray and all players about this deer antler potion stuff, and if he still ordered/used it, that would seem to imply he knew it was banned/wrong. If they took no steps and never told him or the NFLPA anything, it is very possible he had no idea what he was taking was banned/wrong, etc. Without more facts, we aren't going to be able to know.

It won't keep him from playing on Sunday, but it certainly closes the door on any possible return (as Ed Reed suggested). And it gives the haters more arrows for their quiver.