What is really with the national angst about the Ravens/Baltimore? (long)

[Raveninwoodlawn]

What I see as the difference is not how much negative stuff there is on Baltimore or the Ravens. It's how much there isn't on the 49er's.

Joe says "retarded" and it's the top link on ESPN's NFL page, Mike and Mike are talking about it etc. 49er's CB says in a very intelligent way... that he would not like gay men in the locker room, and next to nothing.

That's just one example, but if anyone could find other negative articles on the 9er's I'd like to seem them, but I'd bet it's probably 10 to 1.

Besides the Ray Lewis stuff, and Joe Flacco, what other "negative" stuff is there?

The 49ers don't have a player who admitted to dealing with shady, moron who peddles supplements that at least are advertised as containing illegal substances. If they did, you can bet it would be out there and it would be an ongoing story.

And Cullivers comments are on NFL.com and ESPN.com's front page right now, and they were front and center last night.

The Ed Reed story is not "negative", the Art Modell HOF stuff is not "negative".

Everybody is not picking against us.

[HoustonRaven]

Great piece right now on ESPN about how the Ravens are finding their inspiration ....

[moose10101]

Joe says "retarded" and it's the top link on ESPN's NFL page, Mike and Mike are talking about it etc. 49er's CB says in a very intelligent way... that he would not like gay men in the locker room, and next to nothing.

Not only was the Culliver story one of the top links yesterday, his apology is the top link right now.

I'm glad the players are chill about all this stuff, because a lot of people here have gone off the deep end.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Not only was the Culliver story one of the top links yesterday, his apology is the top link right now.

I'm glad the players are chill about all this stuff, because a lot of people here have gone off the deep end.

It was also on Mike and Mike so I don't know where people are getting the idea that nobody is paying attention to it, but they were paying SO MUCH attention to Joe's.

[2gigch1]

Well if it means anything the SF Gay comment topped Drudge Report for several hours yesterday and is still floating near the top. Flacco wasn't mentioned there and Ray's story fell quickly.

Simply put, media types tend to flow in the direction of the largest audience (I know - I work in TV). San Fran is a larger West Coast city with a larger national following, and a nicer national image. Baltimore is known for "That evil Ray Lewis", "Stealing the Browns" and The Wire.

Take the opportunity to relish in their defeat, if / when it occurs. Also with Ray's retirement, the lightning rod that is his history and public persona will step away from the Ravens, and those who wish to hate will find it harder to do so.

[HoustonRaven]

Front page of CBSSports.com, a very pro Ravens piece about how the younger players have helped propel the Ravens defense this season.

Even Pete Prisco has a complimentary piece on the Ravens.

And, as someone has linked to in a previous thread, Ravens are front page on the New York Times with an excellent piece on Bisciotti.

[RavenScallywag]

Besides the Ray Lewis stuff, and Joe Flacco, what other "negative" stuff is there?

The 49ers don't have a player who admitted to dealing with shady, moron who peddles supplements that at least are advertised as containing illegal substances. If they did, you can bet it would be out there and it would be an ongoing story.

And Cullivers comments are on NFL.com and ESPN.com's front page right now, and they were front and center last night.

The Ed Reed story is not "negative", the Art Modell HOF stuff is not "negative".

Everybody is not picking against us.

I think you stumbled onto something...

It's really just Ray Lewis.

Look at the articles in last 24 hours..."Ray Lewis announced retirement so you could thank him", "Ray Lewis: PED accusation is a trick of the devil", "Amani Toomer unloads on Ray Lewis"

Basically, the media has leveled itself at Ray Lewis.

The problem (? if you think it may be one), is that nothing else on the team is generating much news.

This may actually be a good thing. They are just PISSING him off to no end. And the team knows what this run is about. They are doing this for themselves yes, but in a large way, they want to send Ray off well. And this is going to resonate with them.

The media wants to piss on Ray Lewis' Cheerios. They want to knock him down a peg. Maybe or maybe not he deserves it with the things he says. But the team doesn't like it, I've seen that on twitter. KO posted on twitter...

Kelechi K Osemele ‏@KOsevendeuce
It saddens me that people judge a man's character based on rumors and inaccurate information. Ray is one of the greatest men I've ever met.

The team is going to use this as fuel.

[NCRAVEN]

So there should be a fairness quota?!

All of the stories thus far should have been reported on and have been. Rays stuff, Joe using the R word, the Niners CB gay comments all deserved to be reported on.

And on every topic, you can google good and bad articles on both teams.

There's a link to a bad Niners article on the boards right now about how their fans are violent animals.

Come on, I am not saying there should be a fairness quota. I think there should be an accuracy quota, but that's another topic.

When I say negative, I am talking about the PFT, Forbes article saying Ray is guilty because Lance Armstrong denied PED's and Barry Bonds found the fountain of youth late in his career, so that means Ray likely used goat horn spray to recover from a torn triceps.

Besides the Ray Lewis stuff, and Joe Flacco, what other "negative" stuff is there?

The 49ers don't have a player who admitted to dealing with shady, moron who peddles supplements that at least are advertised as containing illegal substances. If they did, you can bet it would be out there and it would be an ongoing story.

And Cullivers comments are on NFL.com and ESPN.com's front page right now, and they were front and center last night.

The Ed Reed story is not "negative", the Art Modell HOF stuff is not "negative".

Everybody is not picking against us.

I didn't say people were "picking on us".. I said there are more negative stories on us than the 9er's.

It may be a majority of PFT like carp, but it's there.

Not only was the Culliver story one of the top links yesterday, his apology is the top link right now.

I'm glad the players are chill about all this stuff, because a lot of people here have gone off the deep end.

Right, one of the top links, not thee top link. And his apology, is the second to top right now.

[HoustonRaven]

Scally, I just listed three pro Ravens pieces that have nothing to do with Ray Lewis.

[RavenScallywag]

Scally, I just listed three pro Ravens pieces that have nothing to do with Ray Lewis.

Yes, and I'm sure there are some talking heads who do like the Ravens...I didn't say "nobody likes the rest of the team" or "nobody is writing anything on anyone else"

the MAJORITY of the press are finding the negative stories on him and focusing there. I think we see it mainly on PFT, but it could really go for the whole offseason. Ashley Fox on ESPN. The Denver Post writers. The New England billboard.

[Justlovemybirds]

Now Amani Toomer on the other hand?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rite/#comments

I think an argument could be made for him seeing as how he's been talking about Ray for a while now.

[RavenScallywag]

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/pos...in-second-half

There's another example of good things being written about the Ravens. by JH of all people!

Like I said, the rest of the team isn't really generating negative stuff. It's really people coming out at Ray Lewis and running with it.

[NCRAVEN]

Yes, and I'm sure there are some talking heads who do like the Ravens...I didn't say "nobody likes the rest of the team" or "nobody is writing anything on anyone else"

the MAJORITY of the press are finding the negative stories on him and focusing there. I think we see it mainly on PFT, but it could really go for the whole offseason. Ashley Fox on ESPN. The Denver Post writers. The New England billboard.

I think you're hitting the nail on the head here.

The majority is about Ray, there are other stories about the team and players, most positive. But the majority of the stories are on Ray and negative.

[Marcel#52]

I feel as if not all the media but PFT is holding some sort of grudge against Ray Lewis. Each article, while I have no problem with them being posted, has been slanted in a a negative way and then they add an unnecessary opinion. I really feel like this is one of those cases where there working for clicks like a "Mediatakeout.com" so they mislead with headline and take quotes out of context.

I used to go there first for all of my football news but after this recent display I am searching for a one-stop website for all the National football news. Would the 24x7 group want to start something like that?

[RavenScallywag]

So riddle me this...

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/story/0...n-49ers-ravens

Of the analysts here, 6 have picked the 49ers to win by a TD or more. 1 has picked the Ravens to win by a TD or more.

49ers bias?

[HoustonRaven]

the MAJORITY of the press are finding the negative stories on him and focusing there. I think we see it mainly on PFT, but it could really go for the whole offseason. Ashley Fox on ESPN. The Denver Post writers. The New England billboard.

Huh?

Ashley Fox is paid for her opinion. For every Ashley Fox, I can find another talking head that supports the Ravens.

The Denver Post did exactly what The Sun does in Bmore -- cheerleader for their home team.

And the billboard in NE was done by fans.

And my God this PFT nonsense is laughably silly. Florio "hates" on every team. The problem now is there's only two teams left.

It was Florio who broke the Big Ben rape story when ESPN et all refused to report on it.

[HoustonRaven]

So riddle me this...

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/story/0...n-49ers-ravens

Of the analysts here, 6 have picked the 49ers to win by a TD or more. 1 has picked the Ravens to win by a TD or more.

49ers bias?

You're incredibly reaching here, IMO. They are split 50-50 on who will win yet its twisted into 49er bias since few are predicting a certain score?

[Marcel#52]

And my God this PFT nonsense is laughably silly. Florio "hates" on every team. The problem now is there's only two teams left.

I think florio is playing to that fan map that was post here earlier. He sees more people hate the ravens than like them right now so he has skewered his headlines and posts to show the Ravens in a negative light.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

I think you stumbled onto something...

It's really just Ray Lewis.

Look at the articles in last 24 hours..."Ray Lewis announced retirement so you could thank him", "Ray Lewis: PED accusation is a trick of the devil", "Amani Toomer unloads on Ray Lewis"

Basically, the media has leveled itself at Ray Lewis.

The problem (? if you think it may be one), is that nothing else on the team is generating much news.

This may actually be a good thing. They are just PISSING him off to no end. And the team knows what this run is about. They are doing this for themselves yes, but in a large way, they want to send Ray off well. And this is going to resonate with them.

The media wants to piss on Ray Lewis' Cheerios. They want to knock him down a peg. Maybe or maybe not he deserves it with the things he says. But the team doesn't like it, I've seen that on twitter. KO posted on twitter...



The team is going to use this as fuel.

Very true.

There are some positive fluff pieces out there, but to be honest, the rest of the country is pretty tired of Ray and frankly, a lot of people still hate him (not the press) and are reveling in this stuff.

Come on, I am not saying there should be a fairness quota. I think there should be an accuracy quota, but that's another topic.

When I say negative, I am talking about the PFT, Forbes article saying Ray is guilty because Lance Armstrong denied PED's and Barry Bonds found the fountain of youth late in his career, so that means Ray likely used goat horn spray to recover from a torn triceps.



I didn't say people were "picking on us".. I said there are more negative stories on us than the 9er's.

It may be a majority of PFT like carp, but it's there.



Right, one of the top links, not thee top link. And his apology, is the second to top right now.

Ray's story is the only negative stuff going. Sorry, but he is the biggest name in this game and this is a big story and people want to read about it. If Patrick Willis or Randy Moss were involved in the same stuff, there would be the same stories about them. They are not...so naturally there are going to be more about this particular story.

As for where exactly the links are on the front page...does it really matter that the following day it was the second to top instead of the top? Does anybody who is completely neutral to this stuff have a screen shot of exactly where on the front page Joe's comments were the following day? I'd bet a ton the link was to his apology and it was right around the same place on the links to the side on the front page.

Now Amani Toomer on the other hand?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rite/#comments

I think an argument could be made for him seeing as how he's been talking about Ray for a while now.

Toomer has always been a Ray hater...he hasn't hidden it. He has been saying this stuff for years.

I can't take anything he says seriously and I'd imagine a lot of people don't because he got his ass kicked in his only shot at getting a ring.

[NCRAVEN]

OMG. Wow.

You're incredibly reaching here. They are split 50-50 on who will win yet its twisted into 49er bias since few are predicting a certain score?

I gotta agree on this one Scally.

Many "experts" and fans are enamored with the read option and think it's unstoppable.

Picking the 9er's to win, doesn't fall under the bias coverage category.