OT Terps vs Duke

**PalladinInNC** · 02-17-2013, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by NC Raven

Nice to see the Terps stick it to the Evil Empire one last time.

As for the B1G move... meh. If you're asking me do I give a shit about watching the Terps play Minnesota and Illinois and whoever the fuck-all else is in that conference, I say no. I've never been to Minnesota and God willing, I never will. Could care less. Watching the Terps play UNC and Duke and GT and Clemson etc was what it was about for me. The history, the rivalries. This smash and grab thing might be good marketing and sell more jerseys to the kiddos, but for us old farts who grew up on Buck Williams and Albert King etc. it's like taking the Orioles and putting them in the Japanese league. Am I really going to get excited about a 3 game sweep of the Kinetsu Buffaloes, or seeing Nick Markakis take Chin Chen Wong deep? Hell no. Likewise, if the Terps beat ... I don't know, somebody, is it going to matter? Not really.

In about 4-5 years there will be a whole new generation of students / alumni / fans who won't remember any different and they'll think it's awesome, so there you go. There's your future. Those of us who come from the past are on the outside looking in. Or more accurately, just doing something else besides watching Terp hoops.

Even though there were great memories of games in the ACC, there were too many games where the Terps, as well as other ACC teams outside of NC were royally screwed by referees open bias in favor of in state teams. That plus the open arrogance of some of the so called great coaches of the ACC like Dean Smith, Coach Ferret-Face K, and, especially Jimmy V (as crooked and corrupt a coach that has ever lived) make me laugh rather than shed a tear!

Maybe the Terps will run into something similar in the Big Ten, who knows! However, they will be making more money than by staying in the ACC and more financial resources help improve one's chances.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 02-17-2013, 02:31 PM

The ACC is not the ACC people have memories of.

Our basketball rival was going to be freaking PITT.

The only rivalries I care/cared about were Duke, UNC, and UVA, and we weren't even guaranteed to play those guys at home every year.

The ACC doesn't give a shit about Maryland and our " rivalries", why should I give a shit about the ACC?

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**TurtlesNBirds** · 02-17-2013, 02:41 PM

I wish Maryland was able to stay in the ACC and I'll definitely miss playing Duke, UNC, UVA and not being able to play future opponents like Cuse, Pitt, and ND. I'm not a fan of chasing money to go to a conference where MD has zero shared history with anyone except PSU from decades ago. The ACC has always been Carolina-centric, and the ACC does everything to cater to them (like hold the ACC Tournament pretty much every single year in the state of North Carolina.) John Swofford is an idiot, he should have had a viable TV network years ago, while the B1G was building their own. What's done is done, but I didn't like the sneaky way MD's administration went about leaving, they basically gave the Board of Regents only a few days to mull everything over before voting. The President and AD have zero ties to Maryland or the ACC, so it was much easier for them to like the move. They also bungled the football program by hiring Edsall (6 wins in 2 seasons.) Things are looking promising for football now with better recruiting, but they've lost a ton of money from poor attendance and a drop in season tickets. The basketball program pretty much funds the entire athletics department, so I can see why the promise of more money is enticing. The entire athletic department had way too many sports programs to fund anyways, they should have been cut years ago. Next year's final ACC basketball schedule will be pretty awesome, hopefully we can go out with a bang.

**rla20cpa** · 02-17-2013, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by NC Raven

Nice to see the Terps stick it to the Evil Empire one last time.

As for the B1G move... meh. If you're asking me do I give a shit about watching the Terps play Minnesota and Illinois and whoever the fuck-all else is in that conference, I say no. I've never been to Minnesota and God willing, I never will. Could care less. Watching the Terps play UNC and Duke and GT and Clemson etc was what it was about for me. The history, the rivalries. This smash and grab thing might be good marketing and sell more jerseys to the kiddos, but for us old farts who grew up on Buck Williams and Albert King etc. it's like taking the Orioles and putting them in the Japanese league. Am I really going to get excited about a 3 game sweep of the Kinetsu Buffaloes, or seeing Nick Markakis take Chin Chen Wong deep? Hell no. Likewise, if the Terps beat ... I don't know, somebody, is it going to matter? Not really.

In about 4-5 years there will be a whole new generation of students / alumni / fans who won't remember any different and they'll think it's awesome, so there you go. There's your future. Those of us who come from the past are on the outside looking in. Or more accurately, just doing something else besides watching Terp hoops.

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p.s That was like a game of street ball and almost impossible to watch.

**AirFlacco** · 02-17-2013, 03:32 PM

MD is swimming in red ink and dropped several sports. Many colleges are and so are the conferences. The Big 10 wants the New York and DC markets. They even invited little Rutgers (not Duke) into the conference to get NY.

The ACC isn't what it's used to be. It's mostly an all North Carolina league, tobacco road and all, their tournaments are usually in Greensboro, nutten but NC fans and either Duke or NC has won the last 20 tournaments or thereabouts. MD will get killed in Big 10 football but they already got a good recruiting class after their announcement of going into the Big 10. It was called 37th best class in the country. MD will get more blue chips from the area and better coaches too. Everyone wants to play in the Big 10. MD will hold its own in basketball and get better recruits.

Gary Williams was consulted and approved the move despite those rivalries he coached and played against.

Back to Terps basketball, Bob Hanie said when they ran of 12 wins at the top of the season that not even Turgeon
knew how good this team is and most of these guys are left over from Gary.

**Ravenswintitle** · 02-17-2013, 05:45 PM

Turgeon seems like the right man for the job. He needs more talent and he knows it but he's getting the most out of the young group. Good hire.

Hope the football team can avoid all of those injuries this year...

**NC Raven** · 02-17-2013, 06:03 PM

Do agree with those who said the ACC stopped caring about the rivalries and tradition when it moved to add all those teams. That is a good point.

Hell, I still think of Florida State as the "new team." BC, VT and Miami, along with the ones scheduled to come, just seem like an appendage -- like mandatory non conference games they play every year -- that's how those games seem to me. The games that matter to me are the ones with the original 8 but that's me just living in the past, really.

The ACC has indeed screwed up the conference. No question.

But deep down I was looking forward to the day Coach Ratface finally retires and takes his damn referee crew down to hell with him where they belong. Then sit back and watch the UNC dynasty go down in flames... the NCAA investigation is not going away, and the farther they dig, the closer it's going to get to the hoops program -- you watch.

Elected officials are now involved, and are loudly recommending that prosecutors get involved in the academic fraud -- because falsifying papers to get high grades you didn't earn, in order to obtain another year of taxpayer funded scholarshp money is -- say it with me -- criminal fraud -- obtaining scholarship money from the State by using fradulent means and misrepresentations. That's not just a crime in NC, it's a felony. Marvin Austin come on down, we got a warrant waiting for ya!!

And its damn impossible to believe that of the 150 or so "crooked classes" they've identified at UNC-Cheat so far, that ONLY football players were taking them.

Roy Williams is sweating like a whore in church.

So I wish the Terps could have stuck around to see it. Turgeon might have been sitting on a goldmine. Now I think the Terps are just going to get buried in the middle of that new conference, because they're not expanding their recruiting base to anywhere that they don't already recruit, and now they've just got more buzz-saw teams up ahead of them. Oh well. Mediocrity has been the norm for awhile, so it's not like that part will take any getting used to lol......

**HoustonRaven** · 02-17-2013, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

The ACC is not the ACC people have memories of.

Our basketball rival was going to be freaking PITT.

The only rivalries I care/cared about were Duke, UNC, and UVA, and we weren't even guaranteed to play those guys at home every year.

The ACC doesn't give a shit about Maryland and our " rivalries", why should I give a shit about the ACC?

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Agreed.

It's all about the Carolina schools and screw everyone else. I'm glad MD moved.

**AirFlacco** · 02-17-2013, 07:32 PM

I learned my lesson back when the Lefty-led Terps played Duke for the conference championship and Elmore goes up for the tip-in
to win it and is mugged, tackled, gagged, drugged and everything under the basket by Giminski-sp. He of course missed and Duke won and that was long before K.

I never watched another tournament after that.

One time MD complained about all the tournaments being in Greensboro, so the ACC held it in Landover, MD one year
but it was still the same. Each school is alotted a certain amount of tickets so it was still all North Carolina fans
way up here.

SCrew em!

**Aces2Bluff** · 02-17-2013, 07:45 PM

With Pitt and Cuse coming online, we never had the guarantee that we would still play Duke and UNC twice a year anyways since the ACC determined that Pitt would be our new rival. Even ignoring the All Carolina Conference and the fact that maybe once every ten years the tournament is held outside of it, the horrible deal that Swofford did with Raycom (his son is director of media... nepotism at its finest) while the B1G has their own network was too good of an offer to pass up, especially after Debbie Yow bled our finances down the drain. The ACC has been down for awhile now (yes Duke and UNC have good seasons but not consistent domination) that I am looking forward to going up against Indiana, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Ohio State in basketball.

I would love nothing more then to win the ACC tournament next year as a big F-U on the way out.

Besides Coach K will be singing a different tune once Clemson, VT, and FSU bolt to the SEC/Big 12 and the Big Ten cherry picks either GT or UNC.

**AirFlacco** · 02-17-2013, 08:08 PM

Yea, speaking of Yow, remember she said Gary Williams tried to sabotage her recruiting class-lol. What a bitch. She killed
the program. Rumor has it Gary would have retired sooner but just wanted to out-last her. He retired after she left. She
tried to fire the Fridge for years and he was in Gary's good ole boys club that included Bisciotti who practicly financed their
new ComCast Center by himself.

They hated her down there from what I read and heard.

**rla20cpa** · 02-17-2013, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

I learned my lesson back when the Lefty-led Terps played Duke for the conference championship and Elmore goes up for the tip-in
to win it and is mugged, tackled, gagged, drugged and everything under the basket by Giminski-sp. He of course missed and Duke won and that was long before K.

Er ... Buck Williams (vs Elmore).

**Rosdaman** · 02-17-2013, 11:57 PM

Check out this video of the "Flash Mob" & "Harlem Shake" thrown down on Sat night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1qoZxWAsk8

I'm living a charmed life 'cause not only was I in Nawlins for SB XLVII (endzone seat, the one the Ravens defended on their magnificent last stand), but I was also in the white T shirt group right behind the Duke bench!

The fellows who started the first dance are known as the Turgeonette's ... they dress to look like coach Turgeon, including a touch of light shoe polish in the hair. Just in front of them is Scott van Pelt, ESPN anchor and UMd grad, who was attending game as a fan. He is of course is the fellow with shaved head, dark glasses, grey sweater. As dance begins, he is engrossed in his cell phone. Later in the video he looks up and is amazed at what has happened around him.

Hats off to the UMd students, the Dance Team, and producer Carrie Blankenship for pulling this off!

**Shas** · 02-18-2013, 08:48 AM

I love how Coach K trots out the "I have tremendous respect for Maryland" conceit before he takes his shot. Typical arrogance. As if it is possible to take the high road and stoop down to take a shot at Maryland at the same time. You can't have it both ways, K.

You say that if the rivalry is so important to Maryland they wouldn't leave for the Big 10. Well, I say if Maryland was just another opponent for Duke you wouldn't be pissed they were leaving.

Maryland was your ideal opponent, good enough to give you a marquee game every year, but never quite good enough to challenge you and UNC as the prince of the kingdom.

But now you see that being Prince isn't so swell when parts of the kingdom secede. You claim Maryland was in an ideal spot, situated "in the middle of the ACC" but we all know the middle of the ACC was always on Tobacco Road and Durham. Even after adding the likes of BC and Miami to the ACC, Maryland never shared center stage with Duke and UNC when it came to basketball.

Maybe that sounds like jealousy to say that on my end, but on your end, Coach K, it sounds like arrogance to take a shot at my team as it heads out the door.

If you don't think arrogance is part of the Duke basketball culture, check out what women's b-ball coach Joanne P. McCallum was tweeting as the men's game was playing out on TV.

Joanne P. McCallie ‏@CoachPDuke
Teams that run on emotion usually turn ball over more, get a tough game once in awhile, but cannot run 6 games in NCAA tourney. #Poise

Joanne P. McCallie ‏@CoachPDuke
Top dog vs underdog. Take the top dog status any day. Got to bring home a national title or a few to truly be top dog. It's concrete. #Real

Joanne P. McCallie ‏@CoachPDuke
What would all these venues do without Duke basketball? Sell fewer tickets, have less to dream about, & just melt away into oblivion. #GoDuke.

That last one has since been taken down.

**alienrace** · 02-18-2013, 08:55 AM

Nothing is more annoying than tweets with the abstract #'s at the end of them. Duck Fuke. My hatred for that school and it's arrogant followers and leaders goes almost as deep as my disdain for all things Pittsburgh. Almost

**Paintballguy** · 02-18-2013, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Rosdaman

Check out this video of the "Flash Mob" & "Harlem Shake" thrown down on Sat night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1qoZxWAsk8

That is so freaking cool. Makes me miss being there.

**pslholder96** · 02-18-2013, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Rosdaman

Check out this video of the "Flash Mob" & "Harlem Shake" thrown down on Sat night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1qoZxWAsk8

I'm living a charmed life 'cause not only was I in Nawlins for SB XLVII (endzone seat, the one the Ravens defended on their magnificent last stand), but I was also in the white T shirt group right behind the Duke bench!

The fellows who started the first dance are known as the Turgeonette's ... they dress to look like coach Turgeon, including a touch of light shoe polish in the hair. Just in front of them is Scott van Pelt, ESPN anchor and UMd grad, who was attending game as a fan. He is of course is the fellow with shaved head, dark glasses, grey sweater. As dance begins, he is engrossed in his cell phone. Later in the video he looks up and is amazed at what has happened around him.

Hats off to the UMd students, the Dance Team, and producer Carrie Blankenship for pulling this off!

Wow. Incredibly well orchestrated. Did they even practiced that??

**ravenray** · 02-18-2013, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

Each school is alotted a certain amount of tickets so it was still all North Carolina fans
way up here.

You're right tickets are alotted but it certainly is much easier for NC fans to get to the game on Sunday if they know their team is in the championship game.

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

Yea, speaking of Yow, remember she said Gary Williams tried to sabotage her recruiting class-lol.

I think she was bitching about her coach search, that douchebag Gregg Doyle also badmouth Gary.

**Shas** · 02-18-2013, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

Wow. Incredibly well orchestrated. Did they even practiced that??

It was partly born out of a concerted effort by the University to cut down on the unruly behavior that has occurred in the past during Duke games. They let the kids in at 3 pm, which was designed to assure a couple hours of sobriety before the cameras came on. And then knowing that it was a long time to sit and wait for the game to start, they used the time to have the crowd get the color coordinated shirts on and also rehearse the flash mob routine.

**pslholder96** · 02-18-2013, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Shas

It was partly born out of a concerted effort by the University to cut down on the unruly behavior that has occurred in the past during Duke games. They let the kids in at 3 pm, which was designed to assure a couple hours of sobriety before the cameras came on. And then knowing that it was a long time to sit and wait for the game to start, they used the time to have the crowd get the color coordinated shirts on and also rehearse the flash mob routine.

Thanks for clarifying. Makes sense but still doesn't take away how cool that was.