2013 NFL Scouting Combine Thread

**The Excellector** · 02-25-2013, 03:05 PM

I could get 225 up four times with a couple of months to prepare.

**LouisianaRaven** · 02-25-2013, 03:06 PM

It seems like Minter and Teo is the same guy. Both have good instincts but not fast. We look at Willis and expect every linebacker to be that fast. Regardless, Bowman is better in coverage than the faster Willis. Also, no LB is covering these hybrid TEs in the NFL. You seem to need a fast safety for those guys. Ogletree has the most tools because he's a former safety playing LB.

**leachisabeast** · 02-25-2013, 03:06 PM

225 lbs is nothing, idk why so many of these athletes struggle at it.

**leachisabeast** · 02-25-2013, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by LouisianaRaven

It seems like Minter and Teo is the same guy. Both have good instincts but not fast. We look at Willis and expect every linebacker to be that fast. Regardless, Bowman is better in coverage than the faster Willis. Also, no LB is covering these hybrid TEs in the NFL. You seem to need a fast safety for those guys. Ogletree has the most tools because he's a former safety playing LB.

I think Minter and Te'o are different, just because they run similar 40 times, doesn't mean they're the same guy. Minter is better in coverage.

**NCRAVEN** · 02-25-2013, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

225 lbs is nothing, idk why so many of these athletes struggle at it.

Because it's about 50 lbs more than he ways...

**Paintballguy** · 02-25-2013, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

I could get 225 up four times with a couple of months to prepare.

Honestly I doubt it. 225 lbs is a lot. Maybe not for a football player or anyone that has lifted for a long time.

At my strongest, I benched 225 x 5 @ 175 lbs BW. My max was 250 clean. IE, bar touching the chest no bounce slight pause then press. Which was a lot for my bodyweight. http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLi...Standards.html

**LouisianaRaven** · 02-25-2013, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Tyrann Mathieu benched 225 lbs only 4 times. Looking past all his off field issues, and purely as a football player, I have serious concerns about his size and strength holding up in the NFL. There is no way he'll be playing safety with that lack of strength.

Deion said it best , he won't be benching WRs in the NFL. Matthieu just makes plays.

**LouisianaRaven** · 02-25-2013, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I think Minter and Te'o are different, just because they run similar 40 times, doesn't mean they're the same guy. Minter is better in coverage.

Maybe, but Teo had a lot of Ints. It can't be totally coincidental

**leachisabeast** · 02-25-2013, 03:14 PM

Lol true, I doubt I'd be able to lift shit if I was as light as Mathieu.

He's a play maker thats for sure.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 02-25-2013, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by landshark52

My guy of the linebackers this year is Sio Moore. I love this guy and the combine only added to it. He ran in the 4.6 range, had a huge broad jump and 38 inch vert. He showed commitment this offseason by bulking up to 245 and benching 29 reps. He also looks very fluid. I feel like he is vastly underrated. He was not just a player who performed well in the Shrine and Senior Bowl and Combine. He put up gaudy numbers with 15 tfls and 7 sacks this past season and is the athletic linebacker we need. 2nd round pick I think right now and he will be a steal.

I'm a fan as well.

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I think Minter and Te'o are different, just because they run similar 40 times, doesn't mean they're the same guy. Minter is better in coverage.

Not by much...Minter isn't proficient in the passing game either.

**leachisabeast** · 02-25-2013, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Not by much...Minter isn't proficient in the passing game either.

We've obviously been watching different games. Both Greg Cosell and Daniel Jeremiah think he can easily drop back into coverage in the NFL.

**NCRAVEN** · 02-25-2013, 03:24 PM

The more I watch of Minter, the less impressed with him I am. If it came down to him and Te'o, I hope we take Te'o.

But as I said earlier. I was a big DT/NT that eats up blocks so we can have a faster better coverage LB drafted in the 2nd as I don't think Minter or Te'o our great fits for us.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 02-25-2013, 03:39 PM

Bad news for Klein...he apparently suffered a serious knee injury at the combine during drills.

Hope it's not an ACL...man, that sucks.

**Paintballguy** · 02-25-2013, 03:50 PM

AJ Klein ‏@AJKlein47

To everyone wondering about my little fall... All is good no serious injury I will finish up my shuttles and vertical jump at pro day mar 26

**wickedsolo** · 02-25-2013, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

Honestly I doubt it. 225 lbs is a lot. Maybe not for a football player or anyone that has lifted for a long time.

At my strongest, I benched 225 x 5 @ 175 lbs BW. My max was 250 clean. IE, bar touching the chest no bounce slight pause then press. Which was a lot for my bodyweight. http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLi...Standards.html

Just for haha's my friends and I wanted to see who could do the most at 225. We were 2 years into the Navy (I was about 27) and weighed around 205lbs. I don't have very long arms though and I have big shoulders, so I had it a lot easier than some other guys who have longer arms. I did it 18 times (19 with a little help). At that time I was lifting a fair amount though. My 1 rep max was 335lbs.

The thing to keep in mind here is that some guys (normally quick twitch) are really good at 1 rep maxes, but doing a sustained lift can get really difficult after 10-12 reps. You have to train for that. It's all about endurance on top of already incredible strength.

Some guy who is 300lbs only being able to crank out 225 20 times is somewhat disappointing, unless you're looking at him as a 2-down DT or something. That same guy might be able to bench 450lbs 2 or 3 times in a quick burst, which is insane.

Different attributes for different positions.

**Paintballguy** · 02-25-2013, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Just for haha's my friends and I wanted to see who could do the most at 225. We were 2 years into the Navy (I was about 27) and weighed around 205lbs. I don't have very long arms though and I have big shoulders, so I had it a lot easier than some other guys who have longer arms. I did it 18 times (19 with a little help). At that time I was lifting a fair amount though. My 1 rep max was 335lbs.

Sounds about right. I always had a problem benching because of my long arms and low body weight. I was decent at deadlifting though.

**NCRAVEN** · 02-25-2013, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Just for haha's my friends and I wanted to see who could do the most at 225. We were 2 years into the Navy (I was about 27) and weighed around 205lbs. I don't have very long arms though and I have big shoulders, so I had it a lot easier than some other guys who have longer arms. I did it 18 times (19 with a little help). At that time I was lifting a fair amount though. My 1 rep max was 335lbs.

The thing to keep in mind here is that some guys (normally quick twitch) are really good at 1 rep maxes, but doing a sustained lift can get really difficult after 10-12 reps. You have to train for that. It's all about endurance on top of already incredible strength.

Some guy who is 300lbs only being able to crank out 225 20 times is somewhat disappointing, unless you're looking at him as a 2-down DT or something. That same guy might be able to bench 450lbs 2 or 3 times in a quick burst, which is insane.

Different attributes for different positions.

Jessie Williams comes to mind. 600lbs in a Max but only 30 @ 225.

**Paintballguy** · 02-25-2013, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Jessie Williams comes to mind. 600lbs in a Max but only 30 @ 225.

Power is not the same as endurance

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**arnie_uk** · 02-25-2013, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

We've obviously been watching different games. Both Greg Cosell and Daniel Jeremiah think he can easily drop back into coverage in the NFL.

DO you base your opinions of whatever pundits say?

**leachisabeast** · 02-25-2013, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by arnie_uk

DO you base your opinions of whatever pundits say?

From what I could see he was good in coverage, and didn't really get beaten much, obviously its different at the NFL level.

And yeah, I base part of my opinion on what guys like Greg Cosell and a former NFL scout says, because they simply know what they're talking about. I'm far from a tape expert, all I have is a collection of recorded games, I don't have access to coaches film on college as does nobody else on these forums, so while we can see things and notice them, or look at peoples 40 times and base an opinion off that, these guys obviously see things we can't see.