2013 NFL Scouting Combine Thread

**Paintballguy** · 02-22-2013, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I agree with the premise of your post but people need to stop thinking so much about needs when it comes to the draft. Ozzie will take the best player on his board regardless of needs unless its a QB or a RB, and in this case probably a guard or a center. FA is where you fill your holes with veterans, the rookies are the long term players, and may challenge the signed veterans to that starting position, but normally, rookies just aren't seen as starters on good teams like the Ravens, even first round picks have a 50/50 shot at starting depending on how NFL ready they are.

There are holes on every NFL team, we will fill them accordingly. Joe Flacco will be signed, and will have a lower cap hit for 2013, which will enable us to make some moves. Ellerbe will likely be re-signed while Reed is 50/50 right now IMO. If Reed isn't re-signed, there will be a vet to replace him. The Ravens will not go into the draft relying on a top flight prospect to be there at 32 who is NFL ready (Matt Elam, and Kenny Vaccorro).

Just look at how we got Pierce last year. Ozzie stays true to his board and picks the best player there.

**leachisabeast** · 02-22-2013, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

Just look at how we got Pierce last year. Ozzie stays true to his board and picks the best player there.

Exactly.

Needs are actually considered in Ozzies "BPA" philosophy I guess. Its not strictly whoever the best player is, but it is pretty close to it. Bernard Pierce could be considered a moderate need last year, as Ricky Williams had retired, and our only back up RB was a 7th round pick from 2011. However, I seem to recall everyone screaming for a WR to be drafted around the 2nd-3rd round range, some even wanted one in the 1st round. We filled the number 3 spot in FA with Jacoby Jones who did way more than everyone expected him to. While, we took the BPA on the Ravens board and landed us another stud RB.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 02-22-2013, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by JoeCool5

I want Barrett Jones in the first.

He will be there in the second round.

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I think Nassib, Glennon, Smith, and Manuel may all go in round 1, we shall see...

Yeah, I don't know about Manuel, but the others sure.

Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds

Mike Glennon measured in at 6'7", the guy looks like a twig

Joe Flacco is making Glennon a lot of money...just the pre draft comparisons...everybody compares him to Joe. Somebody is going to absolutely fall in love with his arm...he has a terrific arm and has practically the same frame Joe had coming out.

Bray too...don't be shocked if Bray rockets up into the early second.

**The Excellector** · 02-22-2013, 06:03 PM

Could Chris Johnson's 40 yard dash record go down?: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ons-40-record/

**JoeCool5** · 02-22-2013, 06:07 PM

There is NO WAY Barrett Jones lasts until our pick at the bottom of the second round. As for need...any team needs a versatile guy like this. Take him and move on, I say!

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 02-22-2013, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by JoeCool5

There is NO WAY Barrett Jones lasts until our pick at the bottom of the second round. As for need...any team needs a versatile guy like this. Take him and move on, I say!

Considering a guy who was a good NFL scout just last year gives him a mid 3rd round grade, saying there is no way he lasts is way overboard.

Could he be picked before...sure, it's the NFL draft. But Jones is not grading out as a first round or even early second round pick from everything I've read. There is a strong chance he is still there at 62.

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
RT @RDSCT: thoughts on Barrett Jones? 1st or 2nd round talent?> No and no…I thought he was a mid-round guy on tape. 3rd at earliest for me.

All it takes is one team of course and Jones definitely can be a good player in this league, but I highly doubt he is looked at as a first or early second round guy as a whole around the league.

**wickedsolo** · 02-22-2013, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Considering a guy who was a good NFL scout just last year gives him a mid 3rd round grade, saying there is no way he lasts is way overboard.

Could he be picked before...sure, it's the NFL draft. But Jones is not grading out as a first round or even early second round pick from everything I've read. There is a strong chance he is still there at 62.

How many saw KO dropping last year?

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**leachisabeast** · 02-22-2013, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

How many saw KO dropping last year?

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I remember Ko before the draft and hoped the Ravens were considering him to replace Ben Grubbs, but then totally forgot about him after Cordy Glenns combine performance. So when the Ravens drafted him, I was pretty chuffed after forgetting about him. I had him in one of my mock drafts, if only I kept him on there with Pierce and Gino as 3rd and 4th round picks that I got right, I would have been 100 % if belicheat didn't steal Hightower away from us. Tbf, i thought Upshaw was going to go way higher than he did, I had him going to the Jets actually.

**Justlovemybirds** · 02-22-2013, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Joe Flacco is making Glennon a lot of money...just the pre draft comparisons...everybody compares him to Joe. Somebody is going to absolutely fall in love with his arm...he has a terrific arm and has practically the same frame Joe had coming out.

The similarities are definitely there, they also share the "When they're on they're ON and when they're not they're NOT" quality. I think Glennon is also slightly less athletic than Joe is.

**The Excellector** · 02-22-2013, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I remember Ko before the draft and hoped the Ravens were considering him to replace Ben Grubbs, but then totally forgot about him after Cordy Glenns combine performance. So when the Ravens drafted him, I was pretty chuffed after forgetting about him. I had him in one of my mock drafts, if only I kept him on there with Pierce and Gino as 3rd and 4th round picks that I got right, I would have been 100 % if belicheat didn't steal Hightower away from us. Tbf, i thought Upshaw was going to go way higher than he did, I had him going to the Jets actually.

I had Upshaw falling the entire time.

**The Excellector** · 02-22-2013, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds

The similarities are definitely there, they also share the "When they're on they're ON and when they're not they're NOT" quality. I think Glennon is also slightly less athletic than Joe is.

What's going on upstairs though?

**leachisabeast** · 02-22-2013, 06:40 PM

Flacco looked better pre draft than Glennon has looked. Glennon looked flat out bad at times during the senior bowl game, and that was with Flacco coming from an FCS school.

**leachisabeast** · 02-22-2013, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

What's going on upstairs though?

From what I seen, he struggles badly when the pocket gets "muddy".

**JoeCool5** · 02-22-2013, 06:53 PM

Look, it's very early in the process to determine anything, and, despite what that scout said about Barrett, I expect him to be a fairly high draft pick. Once the combine and pre-draft workouts are complete he should ascend. I say take him at 32 and call it a night.

**NCRAVEN** · 02-22-2013, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

He will be there in the second round.

Yeah, I don't know about Manuel, but the others sure.

Joe Flacco is making Glennon a lot of money...just the pre draft comparisons...everybody compares him to Joe. Somebody is going to absolutely fall in love with his arm...he has a terrific arm and has practically the same frame Joe had coming out.

Bray too...don't be shocked if Bray rockets up into the early second.

Glennon has all the physical talent you need. And predictions are meaningless, but I'd be surprised if he was anything other than a steaming hot pile of mark sanchez if he gets to play in the NFL.

**Justlovemybirds** · 02-22-2013, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Flacco looked better pre draft than Glennon has looked. Glennon looked flat out bad at times during the senior bowl game, and that was with Flacco coming from an FCS school.

Joe's Senior Bowl performance (an obviously very small sample) wasn't exactly the stuff of legends

Then in the Senior Bowl in January, Flacco completed just 2 of 7 for 22 yards and an interception—but scouts appreciated that he remained poised. "One of the best lessons I was taught when I started coaching was, don't ever ding a guy at the Senior Bowl," says Jaguars quarterbacks coach Mike Shula. "He can only help himself for coming."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...7967/index.htm

OT: Leach, is it bad that in my head I read everything you say in a British Accent

**NCRAVEN** · 02-22-2013, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by JoeCool5

Look, it's very early in the process to determine anything, and, despite what that scout said about Barrett, I expect him to be a fairly high draft pick. Once the combine and pre-draft workouts are complete he should ascend. I say take him at 32 and call it a night.

I thin k there is too much need on D and talent to take Jones at 32. Id' take hi in the second though.

**NCRAVEN** · 02-22-2013, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

From what I seen, he struggles badly when the pocket gets "muddy".

Watch his bowl game against Vanderbilt if you want to see what I'd expect from him.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 02-22-2013, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by JoeCool5

Look, it's very early in the process to determine anything, and, despite what that scout said about Barrett, I expect him to be a fairly high draft pick. Once the combine and pre-draft workouts are complete he should ascend. I say take him at 32 and call it a night.

Barrett is not likely to ascend as he isn't going to star in workouts. He isn't going to test all that well...his big plus is going to be watching tape.

And it's not just Jeremiah...who learned everything as far as how to scout from Ozzie. Mayock has him as the 3rd best center. There are virtually no respected media types putting Jones in the first/early-mid second round range...and quite a few have him in the 3rd and below.

Now that doesn't mean that he won't be a good pro. But taking him at 32 is overdrafting when he can almost assuredly be had later...and there is a good chance it will be significantly later.

I would be pretty pissed if we took him that high.

**wickedsolo** · 02-22-2013, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I remember Ko before the draft and hoped the Ravens were considering him to replace Ben Grubbs, but then totally forgot about him after Cordy Glenns combine performance. So when the Ravens drafted him, I was pretty chuffed after forgetting about him. I had him in one of my mock drafts, if only I kept him on there with Pierce and Gino as 3rd and 4th round picks that I got right, I would have been 100 % if belicheat didn't steal Hightower away from us. Tbf, i thought Upshaw was going to go way higher than he did, I had him going to the Jets actually.

No doubt.

A lot of us thought Upshaw was going to be a top 20 pick.