2013 NFL Scouting Combine Thread

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Flacco looked better pre draft than Glennon has looked. Glennon looked flat out bad at times during the senior bowl game, and that was with Flacco coming from an FCS school.

Flacco didn't look good at the Senior Bowl either.

I'm not in anyway saying that Glennon will be the same player that Joe is, but let's not make Joe out to have been this guy who was a sure thing coming out...most people/scouts thought he was a second round pick.

We took him because we were afraid someone was going to come back into the first to take him...same thing may happen with Glennon.

I'm just saying physically, watching them throw they look similar and the comparison most are making is to Joe.

Glennon has all the physical talent you need. And predictions are meaningless, but I'd be surprised if he was anything other than a steaming hot pile of mark sanchez if he gets to play in the NFL.

He'll get to play...someone is going to take him and try to make him their franchise QB.

It remains to be seen how good he is though.

[The Excellector]

I suppose we have to understand the difference between what Ozzie values in evaluating a prospect, and what would drive other teams to take a player prematurely. Ozzie values college production first and foremost. You can see that in the players that he takes. The vast majority of them are not guys who would be stars at the combine. However, other teams could think differently and have thought differently, if a player could shine at the combine. Jones is not expected to shine at the combine. Then again, I wouldn't expect many of Alabama's offensive linemen to shine at the combine.

Actually, now that I think about it, I can't remember many of their players shining, per se, at the combine.

[wickedsolo]

When Glennon has a clean pocket to throw from, he can really spin it. He can launch the thing too.

However, when the pocket breaks down, he doesn't step up or evade. He backpedals and then throws off of his back foot.

That can be coached, but the guy has to be ok with taking a hit.

[Ravenswintitle]

Watch out for EJ Manuel, Tyler Bray, and Mike Glennon to possibly slip into the first round.

I think Bray will go in the first and also Barkley. I still say at least 4 or 5 QBs will be taken; it gets the fan base excited

[wickedsolo]

Bray is interesting.

Him weighing in at 232lbs is a good thing for him since he is right around 6'6".

He has a rifle on him too.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

When Glennon has a clean pocket to throw from, he can really spin it. He can launch the thing too.

However, when the pocket breaks down, he doesn't step up or evade. He backpedals and then throws off of his back foot.

That can be coached, but the guy has to be ok with taking a hit.

He won't be the first high draft pick with those questions. And he won't be the last.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Bray is interesting.

Him weighing in at 232lbs is a good thing for him since he is right around 6'6".

He has a rifle on him too.

I said before in this thread...I think due to Bray's size and arm, he will be a big surprise if he does well explaining his off field issues to teams

[wickedsolo]

I still think Ryan Nassib is the most intriguing QB in this draft class.

Just under 6'3" almost 230lbs, mobile, can really drive passes down the field, has decent tough, not afraid to take a hit, smart guy...

Reminds a lot of people of Jake Locker.

[wickedsolo]

Some more metrics from today...

Positives:
Terron Armstead, OT, Arkansas-Pinebluff, 31 reps [6'5" 306lbs, 34"+ arms]
David Bakhtiari, OT, Colorado, 29 reps [6'4" 299lbs, 34"+ arms]
Chris Faulk, OT, LSU, 25 reps [6'5" 331lbs, 34"+ arms]
DJ Fluker, OT, Alabama, 21 reps [6'5" 339lbs, 36"+ arms]
Luke Marquardt, OT, Azusa Pacific, 31 reps [6'8" 315lbs, 34"+ arms]

Negatives:
Oday Aboushi, OT, Virginia, 17 reps [6'5" 308lbs, 33" arms]
Travis Robertson, OG/C, Wisconsin, 21 reps [6'4" 312lbs, 33" arms]
Khaled Holmes, C, USC, 13 reps [6'3" 302lbs, 35"+ arms]
Brian Winters, OT/G, Kent State, 9 reps [6'4" 320lbs, 33"+ arms]

Marques Wilson apparently has been hitting the weights. Measured in at 6'3" 195lbs. 32" wingspan and 9.3" hands.

[The Excellector]

Some more metrics from today...

Positives:
Terron Armstead, OT, Arkansas-Pinebluff, 31 reps [6'5" 306lbs, 34"+ arms]
David Bakhtiari, OT, Colorado, 29 reps [6'4" 299lbs, 34"+ arms]
Chris Faulk, OT, LSU, 25 reps [6'5" 331lbs, 34"+ arms]
DJ Fluker, OT, Alabama, 21 reps [6'5" 339lbs, 36"+ arms]
Luke Marquardt, OT, Azusa Pacific, 31 reps [6'8" 315lbs, 34"+ arms]

Negatives:
Oday Aboushi, OT, Virginia, 17 reps [6'5" 308lbs, 33" arms]
Travis Robertson, OG/C, Wisconsin, 21 reps [6'4" 312lbs, 33" arms]
Khaled Holmes, C, USC, 13 reps [6'3" 302lbs, 35"+ arms]
Brian Winters, OT/G, Kent State, 9 reps [6'4" 320lbs, 33"+ arms]

Marques Wilson apparently has been hitting the weights. Measured in at 6'3" 195lbs. 32" wingspan and 9.3" hands.

How do you feel about Marques Wilson?

[wickedsolo]

How do you feel about Marques Wilson?

Not sure.

Dude has lots of talent. He is a smooth and fluid runner with nice hands. Long arms. He quit or got booted off the team this year, but he claims that the coaching staff was abusive (Mike Leach). Considering who the HC was, I'm not so sure that Wilson was lying about that stuff. Leach is kind of a scumbag.

I would be down with Wilson as a mid to late round guy. He has a ton of upside and could legitimately be a #1 or #2 receiver in the NFL.

I think bmorecareful was (or is) pretty high on him.

[The Excellector]

Greg Cosell feels that Chance Wormack and Jonathan Cooper are better Guard prospects than David DeCastro was last year.

[houstonravensfan]

Just to give everyone a list of players who the Ravens have so far met or plan to meet for formal interviews.

DJ Fluker, OT, Alabama
Brennan Williams, OT, North Carolina
Oday Aboushi, OT, Virgnia
Ricky Wagner, OT, Wisconsin
Corey Fuller, WR, Virginia tech

4 out of 5 are OTs. I like it. Build the O line and let Flacco go wild.

[batman55]

I know it's been brought up before, but a lot of reporters are saying manti will fall to us.... I am real anxious to see his work out.

[BigPlayReceiver]

Some more metrics from today...


Travis Robertson, OG/C, Wisconsin, 21 reps [6'4" 312lbs, 33" arms]

You WILL remember his name when he's OROY!

Brian Winters, OT/G, Kent State, 9 reps [6'4" 320lbs, 33"+ arms]

Pulled a pec. Will re-attempt at pro day.

[NC Raven]

Not sure.

Dude has lots of talent. He is a smooth and fluid runner with nice hands. Long arms. He quit or got booted off the team this year, but he claims that the coaching staff was abusive (Mike Leach). Considering who the HC was, I'm not so sure that Wilson was lying about that stuff. Leach is kind of a scumbag.

I would be down with Wilson as a mid to late round guy. He has a ton of upside and could legitimately be a #1 or #2 receiver in the NFL.

I think bmorecareful was (or is) pretty high on him.

Wilson was definitely a guy who coasted on pure athleticism. Prior to 2012 he dominated the PAC-10/12 even on a bad team with no other weapons but him.

So what you have is a guy who is so naturally gifted he could single handedly tear up a BCS conference despite being on a horrible team with nobody to take the heat off him, and he didn't even have to break a sweat to do it. He is that talented.

But whether he has the drive to work for it at the NFL level is the key, and of course, with all the Titus Youngs and prima donnas out there, this guy comes across as a potentially combustible pick. Even if you discount (as I do) the flare-up with Leach. Leach quite frankly has a bad history of putting good players in the doghouse (in addition to bad, whiny players like Adam James...) and not getting the best out of his top recruits.

So when Leach came in, it's no surprise he gave Wilson the most flack. So to me that's all a wash. Leach has put two decent guys in the NFL his whole career -- Crabtree, and Amendola. You could throw in Welker, but Welker did it all on his own once he got to the NFL. Crabtree is really the only major talent he had that he didn't manage to completely destroy. All his QBs and everybody else... pretty much crap.

That doesn't make Leach's point invalid -- it was well known that Wilson coasted on athleticism before Leach got to Washington State. And it was no surpise the two didn't get along.

Bottom line on Wilson is I'd really want to see his make-up personally before deciding. If he works his ass off, he's got top-class ability. Moderate risk / extremely high potential reward , as a pick.

[NC Raven]

Just to give everyone a list of players who the Ravens have so far met or plan to meet for formal interviews.

DJ Fluker, OT, Alabama
Brennan Williams, OT, North Carolina
Oday Aboushi, OT, Virgnia
Ricky Wagner, OT, Wisconsin
Corey Fuller, WR, Virginia tech

As a Hokie fan I'm embarrassed to say I thought Fuller had another year left. And I'm sorry he doesn't. He only played one year, after transferring from Kansas where he was a track guy.

Plays one year of football, and all I can say is, after watching every VT game this year, he pops off the TV screen at you. He was pretty much the whole damn offense (that and Logan Thomas trucking linebackers).

You'd think for a track guy in his first year of college football he'd be all 9 routes, but the guy was TOUGH. He caught everything from slants to sluggos to seam-busters in the middle. Saw him get rocked a few times and hang on to the ball like nothing. 6'2" and... did I mention a Big12 track scholarship guy? Supposedly runs in the 4.3's. I wouldn't doubt it. Even if he times slow, what I see with him is a guy who's fast but can also move the chains for you. I would venture to say he's damn near a JJ12 clone, but in all honesty, probably with better hands.

I don't recall him returning kicks, but I do recall him being pretty much the main option in the passing game and like I said... you watch any Hokie games from 2012, and this dude jumps off the screen. Talk about passing the eyeball test. Good on the Ravens for talking to him.

Like I said, I didn't know he was even in the draft till I read leach's post. Assumed he was just a Junior. Damn. As developmental guys go, he's probably further along now than Streeter or Thompson were last year. I definitely see a guy who's a little raw like Torrey was, but who just might have a killer learning curve to him -- which if you watch him you won't believe it was his first year of college football, so the evidence suggests he very well might. He might have that ability to learn fast and evolve correctly that you need to advance at the next level.

[The Excellector]

Greg Cosell likes Kevin Minter a little more than Manti Teo.

[Paintballguy]

Greg Cosell likes Kevin Minter a little more than Manti Teo.

So do I


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[iggyman555]

i bet if kaep was in this draft he would be the #1 pick (just based of rgIII and russell wilson's production), this is such a copy cat league thats why im pretty confident geno smith is top 10 pick