King Dunlop views on him?

**HHIRaven** · 02-23-2013, 02:47 PM

With all the big name free agent LT's out there might he come cheap? With Rivera here now as a coach do you think he could make him a servicable LT to be able to keep Oher at RT and draft and develope a your LT. Think he would be a better option than McKinnie if they are worried about work ethics. Ideas???

**bmorecareful** · 02-23-2013, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by HHIRaven

With all the big name free agent LT's out there might he come cheap? With Rivera here now as a coach do you think he could make him a servicable LT to be able to keep Oher at RT and draft and develope a your LT. Think he would be a better option than McKinnie if they are worried about work ethics. Ideas???

Well, it's certainly not an ideal option, but as you say it would give the Ravens time to develop their LT of the future and would potentially be less of a risk than McKinnie at (hopefully) similar or even less money. It's not a bad thought at all honestly and with Castillo on the coaching staff it's not unrealistic either.

FWIW, Pro Football Focus graded Dunlap out at +6.6, and McKinnie at +5.6. Their blurb on Dunlap from their Free Agent blog:

At the lower reaches of our free agent rankings we’re getting into players who can start in a pinch and offer quality performances when called upon. When Demetress Bell struggled in place of Jason Peters, it fell to King Dunlap to fill that void and he did an admirable job. You’re never going to mistake him for Peters, but his pass protection was, outside of a couple of games, excellent… though he struggled as a run blocker in the Eagles’ system.

Considering some of the tackles who were forced into starting last season and their performance levels one of those teams with dreadful tackles could do worse than offer Dunlap the chance to come in and win a job at one of their tackle spots.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nsive-tackles/

**RavenScallywag** · 02-23-2013, 03:01 PM

My thoughts on the "plan" for LT

1. McKinnie
2. Dunlap
3. Sam Baker/Winston Justice
4. Geoff Schwartz (RT, with Oher moving to LT)

All 3 options involve drafting a LT

**leachisabeast** · 02-23-2013, 03:03 PM

Dunlap is also 6'9 for what its worth, this is actually an interesting option. He would come cheap, and has potential to get better. He's still relatively young.

**wickedsolo** · 02-23-2013, 03:12 PM

He would be cheap. That's for sure.

Not my ideal situation though.

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**leachisabeast** · 02-23-2013, 03:16 PM

Would rather have him at LT than Michael Oher.

**wickedsolo** · 02-23-2013, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Would rather have him at LT than Michael Oher.

I agree. I think the team needs to just leave Oher at RT.

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**GOTA** · 02-23-2013, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Would rather have him at LT than Michael Oher.

Dunlop is no where near as good as Oher. He's completely stiff. Every chance the Eagles can to bench him they do. I wouldn't go near this guy.

**bmorecareful** · 02-23-2013, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

He would be cheap. That's for sure.

Not my ideal situation though.

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I think we kinda just have to accept that barring something going against all expectations, we are not going to get great protection from the LT spot next year. That's just unavoidable.

We're not going to get one of the top 3 LTs in the draft, so even the best-case scenario is probably McKinnie coming back on a cheap deal. Who knows what will happen with him? He played pretty good down the playoff stretch, but what's to say he won't ride the pine for months again after a repeat of the last offseason? Or maybe he just declines as a result of age and lack of effort after a big pay day? Even if he's the best solution McKinnie's no guarantee to be great.

If it's not Big Mac, it will be a cheaper FA like Dunlap, a raw rookie who's probably not ready to play LT, or (possibly worst of all) reshuffling the OL to put Oher or KO into the LT spot. No matter what happens it's not going to be all that pretty. We just have to hope that the weakness at LT will be offset by Caldwell's offense, the rest of the OL playing at a high level, and the skill position players producing at a high level.

**The Excellector** · 02-23-2013, 03:22 PM

I think the team has looked at cheap options at LT for long enough. It's time to invest more seriously and stop the revolving door.

**leachisabeast** · 02-23-2013, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

Dunlop is no where near as good as Oher. He's completely stiff. Every chance the Eagles can to bench him the do. I wouldn't go near this guy.

After week 7, he played ever snap for the Eagles, and I totally disagree with you. He gave up less sacks, pressures, and hits than Oher did down that stretch at LT.

Dunlap gave up 4 sacks after week 7, Oher gave up 8. Oher gave up 17 QB pressures while Dunlap gave up 15. Dunlop also had Nick Foles playing QB who was a rookie.

**bmorecareful** · 02-23-2013, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

After week 7, he played ever snap for the Eagles, and I totally disagree with you. He gave up less sacks, pressures, and hits than Oher did down that stretch at LT.

Dunlap gave up 4 sacks after week 7, Oher gave up 8. Oher gave up 17 QB pressures while Dunlap gave up 15. Dunlop also had Nick Foles playing QB who was a rookie.

Thanks for the info, I agree with you, and those numbers actually show not only that Dunlap was better than Oher but I would bet those numbers compare favorably with anybody. 4 sacks and 15 pressures in 9 games with a rookie QB isn't that bad at all. Why are people still under the impression Oher is even average at LT in the NFL? He is BAD at the position.

I really think we have to keep Oher away from LT at all costs. He's just so much better at RT and will continue to get better if he stays there. The OL is completely set with KO at LG, Yanda at RG, and Oher at RT. Let Gino win the C job out of camp and let somebody else play LT. It's better to be strong at 4 spots than move everybody around and get weaker at 3 spots.

**leachisabeast** · 02-23-2013, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

Thanks for the info, I agree with you, and those numbers actually show not only that Dunlap was better than Oher but I would bet those numbers compare favorably with anybody. 4 sacks and 15 pressures in 9 games with a rookie QB isn't that bad at all. Why are people still under the impression Oher is even average at LT in the NFL? He is BAD at the position.

I really think we have to keep Oher away from LT at all costs. He's just so much better at RT and will continue to get better if he stays there. The OL is completely set with KO at LG, Yanda at RG, and Oher at RT. Let Gino win the C job out of camp and let somebody else play LT. It's better to be strong at 4 spots than move everybody around and get weaker at 3 spots.

Totally agree with everything here. You could sign Dunlap on a one/two year deal for a 1.5/2 million cap hit with incentives for 2013 and get decent play out of him and you could draft a Menelik Watson or a Chris Faulk in the 3rd round and develop him.

Although, I think Watson may even go in the 2nd/1st round now.

**The Excellector** · 02-23-2013, 03:55 PM

I'm not really much of a stat guy. I am with GOTA on this one. For someone like that, I think you'd be better off rolling the dice with McKinnie. If you are going to bypass McKinnie, in my opinion, I think you need someone more proven.

**leachisabeast** · 02-23-2013, 03:56 PM

I think I'd rather have McKinnie back for another year, but I'd certainly take Dunlap over Oher at LT.

**HHIRaven** · 02-23-2013, 04:12 PM

After McKinnie getting hurt and showing up late and out of shape for camp I just dont see Ozzie giving him another contract. Dunlop is about the same size and his strength is also as a pass blocker. Putting him next to KO might improve his game. He is only 27 years old and made it into the starting line up despite being a 7th round pick. Would rather him him than McKinnie for the same money. We could draft Faulk, Watson or Qussenberry and develope them for a year ot two and have a really good offensive line put together to last a few years

**jonboy79** · 02-23-2013, 04:31 PM

Long>Beatty>McKinnie>Dunlap>Oher>Bushrod

And Albert is in there somewhere as well, but won't be a good value at all, IMO. So he might be last, due to my assumption he will be HIGHLY priced.

As others have stated, a LT in teh draft no later then 4th round accompnaies all but Long and Perhaps Beatty in thsi scenario.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 02-23-2013, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I think I'd rather have McKinnie back for another year, but I'd certainly take Dunlap over Oher at LT.

I agree.

I don't think much of Dunlap at all, but we have to do everything possible to not have Oher back at LT.

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**leachisabeast** · 02-23-2013, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

Long>Beatty>McKinnie>Dunlap>Oher>Bushrod

And Albert is in there somewhere as well, but won't be a good value at all, IMO. So he might be last, due to my assumption he will be HIGHLY priced.

As others have stated, a LT in teh draft no later then 4th round accompnaies all but Long and Perhaps Beatty in thsi scenario.

The Ravens have met with nearly half the OT prospects, they even met with Lane Johnson who will be going in the top 15. The Ravens will 100 % be taking a OT with one of their first four picks IMO, unless they make a big splash on a guy like Long or Beatty, which I don't see happening at all.