Strategy for first round pick.

**jonboy79** · 02-24-2013, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Again, I think you are exaggerating the cap situation. The only way this happens is if we use the exclusive tender on Flacco. Can't see that happening.

exclusive, non-exclusive... doesn't matter. We won't be able to make any FA moves of note prior to the draft unless Flacco has a long term deal.

Again, anyone who doesn't think Flacco has all the leverage is fooling themselves. Anyone who wants the FO to pinch every penny they can is ill informed. Pay the man what he wants, get a friendly structure and move on with life.

**leachisabeast** · 02-24-2013, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

exclusive, non-exclusive... doesn't matter. We won't be able to make any FA moves of note prior to the draft unless Flacco has a long term deal.

Again, anyone who doesn't think Flacco has all the leverage is fooling themselves. Anyone who wants the FO to pinch every penny they can is ill informed. Pay the man what he wants, get a friendly structure and move on with life.

There is a big difference between 14.6 and 24 million. I think with the right roster moves, we'd just about be able to get some guys in.

Again, I know a lot of you guys love the idea of trading up and making crazy moves like Bmorecareful mentioned, but its not happening as long as Ozzie is GM.

The deal is going to get done anyway, yall need to stop worrying about this.

**The Excellector** · 02-24-2013, 02:19 PM

Joe Flacco: Show me the money!

Joe Linta: Show me the money!

Joe Flacco: I love black people!

Joe Linta: I love black people!

**JoeCool5** · 02-24-2013, 02:21 PM

I echo an earlier post that said we really need to see how things play out with Flacco's deal. I think there will be a real sense of urgency from the team to get a deal done before March 4th. The problem is neither Joe Linta (Flacco's agent) nor the team has done a deal of this magnitude. Granted, the Ravens have done big contracts before but not for a QB. And Linta does not have any other high-profile clients. I, like all of you, are praying that a long-term deal gets done before we have to impose any kind of tag. Only then can we project what the rest of the offseason will look like.

**leachisabeast** · 02-24-2013, 02:22 PM

Pay Flacco, and draft Tavon Austin. You will see what happens.

**The Excellector** · 02-24-2013, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Pay Flacco, and draft Tavon Austin. You will see what happens.

An unfair advantage.

**alien bird** · 02-24-2013, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

Trading up to get the guy you like that fills the hole you have at an acceptable value point is a quite good philosophy, particularly when you have 11 picks.

Fact of the matter is, I'd rather they move up and target their guys then stay put and deal with what is left...

This is a sticky wicket. If the Ravens trade from 32 to say 23 to get that guy, it would cost them (according to the draft value chart) their 3rd and 4th round picks. Sure, they have eleven, but 4 of them can't be traded, so trading too many for one move is going to negate the ability to move around in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds - especially if you've just traded your 3rd and 4th rounder. Exactly where are they going to move then? They would be left with waiting for a guy to fall into their laps, instead of having the ability to move up a couple of spots to get the guy they want.

Those 3rd and 4th rounders are crucial. Just look at the last four drafts: Webb, Pitta, Dickson, Reid, Doss, Pierce, Gradkowski, Thompson. There are some impact players on that list.

**jonboy79** · 02-24-2013, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

There is a big difference between 14.6 and 24 million. I think with the right roster moves, we'd just about be able to get some guys in.

Again, I know a lot of you guys love the idea of trading up and making crazy moves like Bmorecareful mentioned, but its not happening as long as Ozzie is GM.

The deal is going to get done anyway, yall need to stop worrying about this.

Sure, but the exclusive tag is currently slated to be $20.6m and will decrease if Tom, Big Ben, Stafford, and Bradford restructure prior to 1 week before the draft, when it is officially calculated. With the moves that have been made currently, AND assuming Bobbie Williams is cut and ALL RFA's get tendered, and nothing else, the $14.6 puts us over the cap. No chance of making moves unless they extend/restructure/cut Boldin,JOnes, Leach, Ngata or Suggs.

I know it will get done, but it is CRITICAL that it gets done by the first few days of FA.

**jonboy79** · 02-24-2013, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by alien bird

This is a sticky wicket. If the Ravens trade from 32 to say 23 to get that guy, it would cost them (according to the draft value chart) their 3rd and 4th round picks. Sure, they have eleven, but 4 of them can't be traded, so trading too many for one move is going to negate the ability to move around in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds - especially if you've just traded your 3rd and 4th rounder. Exactly where are they going to move then? They would be left with waiting for a guy to fall into their laps, instead of having the ability to move up a couple of spots to get the guy they want.

Those 3rd and 4th rounders are crucial. Just look at the last four drafts: Webb, Pitta, Dickson, Reid, Doss, Pierce, Gradkowski, Thompson. There are some impact players on that list.

I wasn't specifically talkingabotu trading up in the first, as much as the general thought of trading up for the guy you like rather then getting stuck with what's left. IF we are sitting at 32 and there are a handful of guys at need positions of relatively similar value then trading back a few spots isn't a terrible idea, and could possibly allow us NE like freedom to trade up to select the next 3 or 4 players we are targeting as they come into value positions.

**leachisabeast** · 02-24-2013, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

Sure, but the exclusive tag is currently slated to be $20.6m and will decrease if Tom, Big Ben, Stafford, and Bradford restructure prior to 1 week before the draft, when it is officially calculated. With the moves that have been made currently, AND assuming Bobbie Williams is cut and ALL RFA's get tendered, and nothing else, the $14.6 puts us over the cap. No chance of making moves unless they extend/restructure/cut Boldin,JOnes, Leach, Ngata or Suggs.

Of course we are going to make roster moves though. Even when Flacco is re-signed, I expect the Ravens to cut some players and extend some contracts and MAYBE restructure Suggs' contract.

**jonboy79** · 02-24-2013, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Of course we are going to make roster moves though. Even when Flacco is re-signed, I expect the Ravens to cut some players and extend some contracts and MAYBE restructure Suggs' contract.

It's much easier to do so after Joe is doen and the waters are less muddy.

**leachisabeast** · 02-24-2013, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

It's much easier to do so after Joe is doen and the waters are less muddy.

This is true

**OhThePossibilities** · 02-24-2013, 02:37 PM

I don't see them trading up more than a few spots at most in the 1st. And the only way that happens is if Lane Johnson falls, which is unlikely. If they can't re-sign McKinnie, I think they'd be just as comfortable trading back and drafting a guy like Fluker, Watson, or Brennan Williams to play RT and starting Oher at LT.
DT, ILB & S have enough positional depth in the draft that they can pick up a starter in rounds 2-4, where they can use later picks to move around.

**jonboy79** · 02-24-2013, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by OhThePossibilities

I don't see them trading up more than a few spots at most in the 1st. And the only way that happens is if Lane Johnson falls, which is unlikely. If they can't re-sign McKinnie, I think they'd be just as comfortable trading back and drafting a guy like Fluker, Watson, or Brennan Williams to play RT and starting Oher at LT.
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I think I just vomitted in my mouth. Anybody but Oher... that's my campaign for the offseason.

**alien bird** · 02-24-2013, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

I wasn't specifically talkingabotu trading up in the first, as much as the general thought of trading up for the guy you like rather then getting stuck with what's left. IF we are sitting at 32 and there are a handful of guys at need positions of relatively similar value then trading back a few spots isn't a terrible idea, and could possibly allow us NE like freedom to trade up to select the next 3 or 4 players we are targeting as they come into value positions.

I agree, and that is why it's such an unknown. I'm just glad I'm the guy who can sit on the boards and yap about it, rather than the guy who has his job on the line making those calls.

**OhThePossibilities** · 02-24-2013, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

I think I just vomitted in my mouth. Anybody but Oher... that's my campaign for the offseason.

Well they aren't getting any of the top 3 LTs in the draft. And they may not have the money to get a guy in FA or McKinnie.

The FO doesn't have a problem with Oher at LT if need be. And with KO at LG, Flacco should have room to step up.

**leachisabeast** · 02-24-2013, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

I think I just vomitted in my mouth. Anybody but Oher... that's my campaign for the offseason.

King Dunlap would be nice in the event that McKinnie isn't re-signed.

**jonboy79** · 02-24-2013, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by OhThePossibilities

Well they aren't getting any of the top 3 LTs in the draft. And they may not have the money to get a guy in FA or McKinnie.

The FO doesn't have a problem with Oher at LT if need be. And with KO at LG, Flacco should have room to step up.

still vomitting. Oher was amongst the worst handful of LT's that started a majority of their teams games this past year. I think I'd rather throw an unready Mid round pick into the fire, at least he hasn't proven he CAN'T play at an acceptable level.

**jonboy79** · 02-24-2013, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

King Dunlap would be nice in the event that McKinnie isn't re-signed.

exactly... almost ANYONE but Oher for LT... Not much exaggerration in that post. I don't even reallythink Oher is that great at Rt since his rookei year. I hope someone offers him LT money after this year...