Flacco Agrees To Deal, Will Sign on Monday

**RavenScallywag** · 03-02-2013, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by somedumbguy

Joe played out his rookie contract with no hold outs or complaints about if he should play. I wonder if Colin Kaepernick will do the same?

I think this should be underlined and bolded...Joe really didn't make a big deal out of the contract stuff. He made comments saying he thought he was a top 5 QB, but when the deal didn't get done, he said "alright, i'm going to go to work and prove it"

And you can debate if he did or didn't, but he rolled the dice by not taking a lesser contract and won the SB and a SB MVP. Anyone who was nuts enough to say he wasn't going to get the big money doesn't understand the NFL. Just like pitchers in baseball, QBs get overpaid. It's just how it goes. Joe Flacco wasn't going to take a "#5 QB" deal when he's coming off a SB win and a SB MVP, while also getting the NFL record for road playoff wins. Those numbers, like it or not, propel him into the list, in the eyes of NFL front offices anyway.

**Paintballguy** · 03-02-2013, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

I think this should be underlined and bolded...Joe really didn't make a big deal out of the contract stuff. He made comments saying he thought he was a top 5 QB, but when the deal didn't get done, he said "alright, i'm going to go to work and prove it"

And you can debate if he did or didn't, but he rolled the dice by not taking a lesser contract and won the SB and a SB MVP. Anyone who was nuts enough to say he wasn't going to get the big money doesn't understand the NFL. Just like pitchers in baseball, QBs get overpaid. It's just how it goes. Joe Flacco wasn't going to take a "#5 QB" deal when he's coming off a SB win and a SB MVP, while also getting the NFL record for road playoff wins. Those numbers, like it or not, propel him into the list, in the eyes of NFL front offices anyway.

Exactly teams gladly overpay qbs. In these days if you don't have at least a decent qb your team is going to be a bottom dweller.

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**Beau Petard** · 03-02-2013, 11:03 AM

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**jonboy79** · 03-02-2013, 11:05 AM

ok, so based on what has thus been reported, which may not all be true... 6/120.6 and 60m guarantee with $7m first year cap hit, that would make for a structure similar to...

2013 - $30m signing bonus, $1m salary cap hit $7m
2014 - $20m signing bonus, $2m salary cap hit $12m
2015- $7m salary cap hit $17m- end of fully guaranteed portion of contract
2016 - $13m salary - cap hit $23m
2017 - $20m salary - cap hit $30m
2018 - $27.6m salary- cap hit $31.6

**leachisabeast** · 03-02-2013, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

ok, so based on what has thus been reported, which may not all be true... 6/120.6 and 60m guarantee with $7m first year cap hit, that would make for a structure similar to...

2013 - $30m signing bonus, $1m salary cap hit $7m
2014 - $20m signing bonus, $2m salary cap hit $12m
2015- $7m salary cap hit $17m- end of fully guaranteed portion of contract
2016 - $13m salary - cap hit $23m
2017 - $20m salary - cap hit $30m
2018 - $27.6m salary- cap hit $31.6

That would be sweet if it were the case. We could then look at a contract extension in 2016 that would get those cap hits down. The salary cap is expected to increase by then anyway.

**Haloti92** · 03-02-2013, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

ok, so based on what has thus been reported, which may not all be true... 6/120.6 and 60m guarantee with $7m first year cap hit, that would make for a structure similar to...

2013 - $30m signing bonus, $1m salary cap hit $7m
2014 - $20m signing bonus, $2m salary cap hit $12m
2015- $7m salary cap hit $17m- end of fully guaranteed portion of contract
2016 - $13m salary - cap hit $23m
2017 - $20m salary - cap hit $30m
2018 - $27.6m salary- cap hit $31.6

Other than the $30M and $20M signing bonuses, where is the other $10M guaranteed? The first three years worth of base salaries?

I guess I don't understand how it works when base salaries are "guaranteed," though I know they can be. Future base can be guaranteed, but if the player gets cut before that year the whole "guaranteed base" amount is instantly applied in cut year? Is that how it works?

**Tolucaraven** · 03-02-2013, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

bahhahahah.... wow rally? Jake Long struggled with injuries last year and Bryant played admirably for 4 gmes, but this is flat out ridiculous.

You want a guy who hasnt lived up to the hype and was injured for 10 plus million vs a good player who is SOLID for a third of the pay? That's what is crazy. Mckinney is probably the most underrated player on the whole team and went up against Freeney, Dumerville, (NE..meh) and SF and was basically flawless. You can always add incentives for weight and performace to BM's contract also.

**BcRaven** · 03-02-2013, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

ok, so based on what has thus been reported, which may not all be true... 6/120.6 and 60m guarantee with $7m first year cap hit, that would make for a structure similar to...

2013 - $30m signing bonus, $1m salary cap hit $7m
2014 - $20m signing bonus, $2m salary cap hit $12m
2015- $7m salary cap hit $17m- end of fully guaranteed portion of contract
2016 - $13m salary - cap hit $23m
2017 - $20m salary - cap hit $30m
2018 - $27.6m salary- cap hit $31.6

Maybe I don't understand this properly, but under the scenario you posted, wouldn't it be a $6 mil. cap hit in his 1st year? I'm basing it on $30 mil. bonus (pro-rated to $5 mil. a year) plus a $1 mil. salary... Bc

**RavenScallywag** · 03-02-2013, 11:23 AM

A salary is only guaranteed after Game 1 of that season. The "guaranteed" money is roster, option, and signing bonuses. The guaranteed money is important because it's paid upfront to the player, but spread over the life of the contract (I didn't know this, but there's a 5 year limit on that, hence the "split" signing bonus so the 20 mil bonus next year can be spread through the 6th year)

When we talk about contract restructuring, a team would take a year's salary and convert it into another signing bonus, basically paying that money to the player upfront, but again, spreading it over the remaining years of the deal.

**leachisabeast** · 03-02-2013, 11:24 AM

For the record, I'd take Jake Long over Bryant McKinnie any day of the week.

**RavenScallywag** · 03-02-2013, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

Maybe I don't understand this properly, but under the scenario you posted, wouldn't it be a $6 mil. cap hit in his 1st year? I'm basing it on $30 mil. bonus (pro-rated to $5 mil. a year) plus a $1 mil. salary... Bc

What I didn't know until yesterday, a bonus can only be spread over 5 years...so 30 mil over 5 years is 6 per. THAT is why the 20 mil bonus in 2014, so we don't spread 50 mil over 5 years (10 per every year).

Instead, you have 6mil in 2013, 6mil + 4mil in 2014-2017, and 4 mil in 2018.

**Tolucaraven** · 03-02-2013, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

For the record, I'd take Jake Long over Bryant McKinnie any day of the week.

Me too, but it would cost you about 7 Million extra per season.

**BcRaven** · 03-02-2013, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

What I didn't know until yesterday, a bonus can only be spread over 5 years...so 30 mil over 5 years is 6 per. THAT is why the 20 mil bonus in 2014, so we don't spread 50 mil over 5 years (10 per every year).

Instead, you have 6mil in 2013, 6mil + 4mil in 2014-2017, and 4 mil in 2018.

Thanks for clearing that up, I understand now... Bc

**RavenScallywag** · 03-02-2013, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

For the record, I'd take Jake Long over Bryant McKinnie any day of the week.

If contract terms were not being considered, I'd have to imagine most would. Both are decent LTs, but Long is younger and in better shape. Remember (everyone except leachisabeast), McKinnie only was in beast mode for 4 post season games. And even then, look back at Filmstudy's grades...he was basically just a little better than Oher was. The biggest key about McKinnie was having Oher and KO in better positions.

**leachisabeast** · 03-02-2013, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

If contract terms were not being considered, I'd have to imagine most would. Both are decent LTs, but Long is younger and in better shape. Remember (everyone except leachisabeast), McKinnie only was in beast mode for 4 post season games. And even then, look back at Filmstudy's grades...he was basically just a little better than Oher was. The biggest key about McKinnie was having Oher and KO in better positions.

I think there is a small chance (very small) that the Ravens will be a little more bold than many would think and find a way of getting a legit LT for Flacco now that they are investing a ton into their QB and RB, and it may mean cutting Leach and Jacoby, but there will be a way to get Jake Long under contract.

**RavenScallywag** · 03-02-2013, 11:47 AM

I think the better route to go is drafting a LT in this draft. I know OT is "top heavy" in this draft, but I think there's guys in the mid rounds who could be developed into effective LT.

Don't forget, we also have Juan Castillo now. He sucked as a DC (lol), but was a pretty good OL coach.

**Tolucaraven** · 03-02-2013, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I think there is a small chance (very small) that the Ravens will be a little more bold than many would think and find a way of getting a legit LT for Flacco now that they are investing a ton into their QB and RB, and it may mean cutting Leach and Jacoby, but there will be a way to get Jake Long under contract.

Is weed legal in England?

**dandrews** · 03-02-2013, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Tolucaraven

Is weed legal in England?

It has to be a harder drug than weed to think Jake Long has any shot of signing here

**leachisabeast** · 03-02-2013, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Tolucaraven

Is weed legal in England?

No its legal in Amsterdam though.

And it really isn't as far fetched as you're making it out to be. Its not like he'd cost 100 million to sign. Like I said, its a very small chance, but its certainly not impossible IMO. It would just require some tough roster moves.

**AirFlacco** · 03-02-2013, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

I think the better route to go is drafting a LT in this draft. I know OT is "top heavy" in this draft, but I think there's guys in the mid rounds who could be developed into effective LT.

Don't forget, we also have Juan Castillo now. He sucked as a DC (lol), but was a pretty good OL coach.

Trouble with these prospect LTs is none of them have arms over 34.5" which is needed at LT. Film Study posted this last week and that was one of Oher's probs. He arms were too short and he tried to wrestle his opponents instead of using his arms like a stun gun like JO did. Truth is, LTs with 36" arm length don't grow on trees.