One thing I will always thank the front office for....

**Beau Petard** · 03-05-2013, 08:53 PM

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FWIW and IMHO, I suspect a lot of the fan animosity towards Ryan is predicated on the media's "Matty Ice" knob-slobbing. I don't follow the guy too closely, but after hearing "Matty Ice", or "RGIII this, RGIII that" or whatever for the millionth time, I'm ready to grab Mr. Ruger and pop some .40's into the tube, hoping to hit the announcers!

**B-more Ravor** · 03-06-2013, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

If they hadn't talked Steve Bisciotti out of what he wanted to do, the Ravens would have ended up with.......................Matt Ryan!!!

Oh no!!!!

I think it had more to do with the Rams asking for a King's Ransom than anything Bisciotti did. IIRC, it would have cost us our 1st and 2nd and the following year's 1st to move ahead of ATL. That was too much, especially when there was another QB that they like very much who would be available later in the 1st.

**Paintballguy** · 03-06-2013, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by B-more Ravor

I think it had more to do with the Rams asking for a King's Ransom than anything Bisciotti did. IIRC, it would have cost us our 1st and 2nd and the following year's 1st to move ahead of ATL. That was too much, especially when there was another QB that they like very much who would be available later in the 1st.

How bad are the Rams? Had a chance to get Ryan and RG3. lol

**Captain Silver** · 03-06-2013, 07:24 AM

My brother in Buffalo lives, eats, and sleeps NFL football and he said to me, Ryan was going to be good, but Flacco was going to be better. And this guys favorite player of all time is Peyton Manning.

But you can't play the hindsight game, be glad we got who we got and let the Falcons be the champs of season records, they don't transfer into Lombardi's.

**Dirt1** · 03-06-2013, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by alienrace

But, it wasn't Ryans defense that threw an ill advised interception. Nor was it his lack of a running game that caused him to fumble a shotgun snap.

IMO, the guy just seems to make the biggest mistakes in the biggest moments.

Yeah, those plays were almost Romoesque.

**Paintballguy** · 03-06-2013, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Dirt1

Yeah, those plays were almost Romoesque.

To me Ryan has the Romo gene until he proves otherwise.

**B-more Ravor** · 03-06-2013, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

My brother in Buffalo lives, eats, and sleeps NFL football and he said to me, Ryan was going to be good, but Flacco was going to be better. And this guys favorite player of all time is Peyton Manning.

But you can't play the hindsight game, be glad we got who we got and let the Falcons be the champs of season records, they don't transfer into Lombardi's.

I think it was said at the time and probably has proven true - Ryan was the safer pick and the more "NFL-ready" QB, but Flacco had the higher upside, albeit with less of a guarantee that he'd reach it.

**Ravenalytics** · 03-06-2013, 09:54 AM

If we had gotten our way, we would have had Jason Garrett and Matt Ryan.

Sometimes disappointment befalls us for our benefit.

**The Excellector** · 03-06-2013, 02:54 PM

If I am not mistaken, Steve Bisciotti acknowledged what they would have given up for Ryan, but admitted that he wanted his future QB by any means necessary. That is was Ozzie and Co. who did their homework on Joe, brought their gathering to Bisciotti and convinced him that they weren't far apart.

**JimZipCode** · 03-06-2013, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Coastergenius

You'd have to admit that Matt Ryan had a hotter start than Flacco. Who knows, maybe we win the Super Bowl in one of the earlier seasons if he's our QB.

This is a good point. We made the AFCC in 2008: maybe if Ryan were our QB that year we win that game.
(Though no way we get the same love from the refs as the Steelers did vs the Seahawks.)

I'm happy with how things turned out.

Matt Ryan is still a pretty great QB. There's no need to slag on him: he just completed over 68% of his passes for over 4700 yards. It's not like he sucks. We're just happy with our guy.

**BcRaven** · 03-06-2013, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Coastergenius

You'd have to admit that Matt Ryan had a hotter start than Flacco. Who knows, maybe we win the Super Bowl in one of the earlier seasons if he's our QB. But, I think that Flacco is better now. He's always had rare one of a kind physical gifts, but now he has the football acumen, poise, and accuracy to be an elite passer. Matt Ryan has always been a master at the short routes, but he'll never have the deep ball that Flacco has, or the speed.

It's really hard to play the "what if" game. Then we could always say "what if" Evans holds that pass? We could have won two Super Bowls in a row. I do agree that Flacco is better now, including something intangible about Joe that translates well to his team on the field. Ryan is a fine young QB, a good draft pick by Atlanta, and I'd sure like to see him and Joe square off in Super Bowl XLVIII... Bc

**Stealthbirds80** · 03-06-2013, 04:04 PM

To be honest, the much maligned Cam Cameron put the most work into Flacco prior to the draft. Cam is great at IDing and fostering young QBs which should translate to some good quarterbacking at LSU. I just remember the pre-draft story about Cam working Flacco out at Delaware and knowing he was the one then.

Additionally, taking the weaker armed Ryan and having to play in the elements of the AFC in general may have further doomed Matty (less domes). He's much more frail as well. His talent surrounding him since his rookie year should have translated to more postseason success, but him not throwing for more than 200 yds until this yr in a postseason game with those same weapons, kind of proves who had the higher ceiling.

All hail Flacco!!!

**wickedsolo** · 03-06-2013, 04:28 PM

I think Cam will do some good things at LSU.

His offense will do well at the college level IMO.

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**leachisabeast** · 03-06-2013, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I think Cam will do some good things at LSU.

His offense will do well at the college level IMO.

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The conservative Cam from 08-2009 will do well, having the QB throwing more than 40 times a game wont work at LSU.

**wickedsolo** · 03-06-2013, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

The conservative Cam from 08-2009 will do well, having the QB throwing more than 40 times a game wont work at LSU.

I dont think he will. Cam has always done well designing a power run game and LSU has some good backs.

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**lovefootball** · 03-06-2013, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

It's really hard to play the "what if" game. Then we could always say "what if" Evans holds that pass? We could have won two Super Bowls in a row. I do agree that Flacco is better now, including something intangible about Joe that translates well to his team on the field. Ryan is a fine young QB, a good draft pick by Atlanta, and I'd sure like to see him and Joe square off in Super Bowl XLVIII... Bc

The what if game? Suppose ryan doesn't choke against the 9ers. What if ryan won almost every playoff game he played in. I guess then he would be comparable to Flacco in post season play. But what if didn't happen, ryan choked this year, more then likelu in th years before. Does that mean he'll choke again? Front office and scouts picked the right guy and the Ravens now have a QB who doesn't choke in post season and has a SB ring along with MVP of the SB. Ryan's close ,but still can't win the big games yet(well,he did win against a seattle team with a rookie QB) Just like the Ravens beat the 9ers with a QB who only played 10 games so far in regular season.
Ravens organization has made very few bad choices about players and excels in picking guys who make a positive difference on the field.

**RavenDavey** · 03-06-2013, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

Yeah, I wonder what Matt Ryan would have done, having to deal with Pittsburgh twice a year.

I remember what happened the first time he played Pittsburgh. It didn't go so well.

This and also playing outdoors instead of the comfy domes of ATL an NO, and the fair weather cities of CLT and TPA. Ryan would not have fared well as a Raven in the AFC North compared to Flacco and his results!!

**mickeyotc** · 03-06-2013, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

If they hadn't talked Steve Bisciotti out of what he wanted to do, the Ravens would have ended up with.......................Matt Ryan!!!

Oh no!!!!

Well to be fair, I wouldn't say "oh no!". Matt Ryan is not exactly Ryan Leaf

**BcRaven** · 03-07-2013, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by lovefootball

The what if game? Suppose ryan doesn't choke against the 9ers. What if ryan won almost every playoff game he played in. I guess then he would be comparable to Flacco in post season play. But what if didn't happen, ryan choked this year, more then likelu in th years before. Does that mean he'll choke again? Front office and scouts picked the right guy and the Ravens now have a QB who doesn't choke in post season and has a SB ring along with MVP of the SB. Ryan's close ,but still can't win the big games yet(well,he did win against a seattle team with a rookie QB) Just like the Ravens beat the 9ers with a QB who only played 10 games so far in regular season.
Ravens organization has made very few bad choices about players and excels in picking guys who make a positive difference on the field.

Did you read Coastergenius post that I replied to ? I think not. Please read or reread it, so you will know the gist of my reply to him. I was not playing the "what if" game, but answering his post to it... Bc

**JAB1985** · 03-07-2013, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by esmd

I'll cut Ryan some slack. That is a flawed team around him. He's got some weapons at WR and TE yes, but they have no running game and their defense is highly suspect.

I had this convo with a Falcons fan saying that Matt Ryan is better and would have won 2 SBs by now if they switched places (which Joe was pretty close to as well). He has the weapons for sure, more than just about any other QB in the league. Running game was by design not lack of ability. Their Defense is where i take notice though. They were ranked 5th in the league in Pts allowed to the Ravens 12th or so. My friend brought up ToP to warrant that they bent but didnt break making our D better because they got off the field more. ToP says otherwise though, as we ranked 30th and they ranked... 9th. I give matt ryan no breaks, hes done less with more since hes been in the league than just about any other QB.