RSR Mock Draft 2.0 - Discussion Thread

**runrayrun27** · 03-07-2013, 02:13 PM

Feel free to discuss all the picks from the mock draft 2.0 in here

**Carey** · 03-07-2013, 03:01 PM

Went with who i thought had the ability to be a special player. While i like Joeckel i dont think he's an elite LT prospect compared to others that have went high in the past. I have Albert for the next year and i probably just upped his agent's leverage as far as getting a long term deal done lol, but i like what Floyd brings them. They only had 27 sacks last year and 19 came from Hali and Houston. Floyd will instantly give them a flexible piece that can help their 27th rank run D as well as rush the passer. I have Albert at LT for at least 2013 and i think i can find a RT later in this draft.

**leachisabeast** · 03-07-2013, 03:01 PM

I get to analyse the Eagles for once

**leachisabeast** · 03-07-2013, 03:04 PM

Carey, I actually like the pick.

Luke Joekel IMO has became a little overrated over time. He isn't quite what last years Matt Kalil was IMO. I think he's going to be good in the NFL, but I'm not sure if he'll be a Joe Thomas or a Joe Staley. Eric Fisher, IMO, has more upside and has the potential to be great. Shariff Floyd is a day 1 difference maker in the trenches, where the Chiefs need help, and is the best defensive player in this draft. Solid pick.

**runrayrun27** · 03-07-2013, 03:05 PM

I did a little mock myself for the top 10 and had Floyd. They can grab a RT in the later rounds, but I like seeing them strengthen that interior line. Great pick

**leachisabeast** · 03-07-2013, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by runrayrun27

I did a little mock myself for the top 10 and had Floyd. They can grab a RT in the later rounds, but I like seeing them strengthen that interior line. Great pick

**Carey** · 03-07-2013, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Carey, I actually like the pick.

Luke Joekel IMO has became a little overrated over time. He isn't quite what last years Matt Kalil was IMO. I think he's going to be good in the NFL, but I'm not sure if he'll be a Joe Thomas or a Joe Staley. Eric Fisher, IMO, has more upside and has the potential to be great. Shariff Floyd is a day 1 difference maker in the trenches, where the Chiefs need help, and is the best defensive player in this draft. Solid pick.

That was my exact thinking, if it was Kalil i would have took him but i wanted the player i thought had the best chance to be special

**bmorecareful** · 03-07-2013, 04:11 PM

Love the player, but don't like the pick, at least not as the team is currently constructed.

Floyd is an elite player but not a good fit for the 3-4. As a 3-4 end his speed and penetration ability are going to be wasted. He needs to be a 4-3 under tackle who splits the gap and rushes the passer.

Taking a really talented player and jamming him into a bad scheme fit is EXACTLY what the Chiefs did a few years back with Glenn Dorsey. Elite pass-rushing 3-tech at LSU, drafted by the Chiefs and made into a 5-tech end, and all his talent and potential have pretty much been wasted. Same thing would happen to Floyd.

Now, if you were the Chiefs GM and you were going to move to a 4-3... I would love the move. Dontari Poe and Floyd at DT, Hali and Justin Houston at DE, Derrick Johnson at MLB... you'd need 2 new OLBs but that's a very talented defense on paper.

**leachisabeast** · 03-07-2013, 04:22 PM

Floyd would be the perfect 1 gap DT lining up between the tackle and the guard, and would allow Poe to assume the nose shade role in the 4-3.

But I have to disagree somewhat, I think Floyd is so talented (more talented than what Dorsey was coming out of LSU IMO), that he could fit in well into a 3-4. Maybe he is a better fit overall in a 4-3, but I'm pretty sure he would make a good 3-4 end too. Dorsey is just part of the long list of overrated LSU talent that hasn't lived up to expectations. Dorsey is a good player, but obviously, you'd expect more out of a top ten pick. I'm pretty sure if you even put Dorsey in a team that runs a 4-3 now, he'd still be decent but nothing more.

**BcRaven** · 03-07-2013, 04:33 PM

I'm no expert, and am not involved with this mock draft, but I feel that since the Chiefs released Winston...perhaps Joeckel would have been a better pick... Bc

**runrayrun27** · 03-07-2013, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

I'm no expert, and am not involved with this mock draft, but I feel that since the Chiefs released Winston...perhaps Joeckel would have been a better pick... Bc

Just a wasted pick. They can get a suitable RT in the second round IMO. I would only invest in Joeckel if he was playing LT but he wont be. I think they will try and trade back a few spots

**wickedsolo** · 03-07-2013, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by runrayrun27

Just a wasted pick. They can get a suitable RT in the second round IMO. I would only invest in Joeckel if he was playing LT but he wont be. I think they will try and trade back a few spots

Cant say Joeckel would be a wasted pick. He is arguably the best player in this draft.

I like Floyd. Dont know that he is a great fit for a 3-4 defense, but he has to be better than Jackson.

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**runrayrun27** · 03-07-2013, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Cant say Joeckel would be a wasted pick. He is arguably the best player in this draft.

I like Floyd. Dont know that he is a great fit for a 3-4 defense, but he has to be better than Jackson.

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Should have worded it better. Not a 'wasted pick', but I don't think drafting a RT with the 1st overall pick is the best decision

**Iscull** · 03-07-2013, 06:30 PM

Titans looking to trade back... PM for details.

**bmorecareful** · 03-07-2013, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by runrayrun27

Should have worded it better. Not a 'wasted pick', but I don't think drafting a RT with the 1st overall pick is the best decision

Well, I think the expectation is that Joeckel would play RT in 2013 only, and kick over to LT in 2014. Given Albert's injury history he may be called on to fill in at LT at times in 2013 as well. Locking down LT long-term is always a good idea and the Chiefs may feel that Joeckel may need a year at RT before he kicks over to the other side.

I really think the Chiefs are hoping to trade down, though. They're hoping that someone covets Joeckel, Floyd, or Dion Jordan enough to jump up to #1 overall. I'm not really sure who would do that, so I don't know how good of a strategy that is... but then, I really don't know what the Chiefs are doing at all. They're going to be very bad next year.

**wickedsolo** · 03-07-2013, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by runrayrun27

Should have worded it better. Not a 'wasted pick', but I don't think drafting a RT with the 1st overall pick is the best decision

Perspective is everything in this instance.

Yes, Joeckel would probably be a RT this season. Branden Albert has made it quite clear that he plans on being a LT and that's that. If the Chiefs were to move him to the right side, they would potentially have a major locker room/attitude issue on their hands and I don't think that is something Andy Reid wants in his first season with KC.

However, after this season, I think they will know enough about Joeckel to determine whether or not he can be their LT for the future, or if they need to keep Albert. I can't see any way why they would need to keep Albert over Joeckel in 2014 to play LT. So, in that regard I think Joeckel is the best option for them. If - and only if - because their QB situation (even with Alex Smith) is going to be shaky for a few seasons. They might as well solidify their OL while they can.

**wickedsolo** · 03-07-2013, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Iscull

Titans looking to trade back... PM for details.

Are we doing trades?

**runrayrun27** · 03-07-2013, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Are we doing trades?

As long as we can have a way to assess the value I'm fine with it

**Iscull** · 03-07-2013, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Are we doing trades?

Idk, I figured we could. If not, not a big deal.

**wickedsolo** · 03-07-2013, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by runrayrun27

As long as we can have a way to assess the value I'm fine with it

So basically trades are ok as long as it is equivalent value...i.e. no trading a top 10 pick in round 1 for a 5th rounder and a 6-pack of rolling rock.

I would also like to suggest no trades with yourself...

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