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    If I recall, the Ravens offered Ed a 3 year, $12M contract. Houston's was $16M.

    Given that you have to deal with Suggs, and Ngata coming up, I see why they weren't willing to go hire. Most people thought Reed would be gone before the post-season even started. I don't think Reed was "kicked out" by anything related to the mutiny, especially after he stood up for the coach when they had a shitty practice after it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    Whose is the one key name missing from the entire 'mutiny' story? The leader of leaders for the Baltimore Ravens, Ray Lewis.
    Ray was injured at the Dallas game. the mutiny happened in November. Sorry, but Ray was most likely not at the mutiny. If he was, he had no dog in the race because he was not practicing.

    Also, Ray had the ear of the owner. There are people behind the scenes that say Ray was instrumental in Billick's firing.

    I love Ray as much as the next person. he deserves the Ring of Honor and he deserves a statute on the south side of the Stadium. But, he is not perfect and he did not always do things above board.




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    It was Ray, Reed and Birk who went to Ozzie to beg him to sign McKinney and move Oher to RT. They went thru channels but their mission was completed. We won the SB with McKinney and Oher at RT and should have won 2 but the General blew it last year - twice in 1 game with 25 secs left with all that talent Ozzie gave him and the year before that with 3rd and 19 in Pissburgh with 2 mins left and Joe still puts them in the ball park to win it all and they blow it again.

    Ray forgot more football than this entire coaching staff knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    John Harbaugh is a gangster at heart. If you haven't figured that out by now, you might want to ask somebody.

    Whose is the one key name missing from the entire 'mutiny' story? The leader of leaders for the Baltimore Ravens, Ray Lewis. Do you want to know why, because Ray Lewis handled issues with the coaching staff the right way. When he felt that Greg Mattison was not aggressive enough, he went to him personally, behind closed doors. When he felt that they should "let the rushers rush and the cover guys cover", as he put it, he went to the coaches, before bringing his information back to the players. Ray Lewis led with positive energy. If you notice, of all the veterans that we've heard of who didn't care for Harbaugh, the one guy whose name has never came up is Ray Lewis.

    Reed was never a leader. Reed was an introvert who wanted to do things his own way. Once he got older, due to his status, he just felt like he shouldn't be told how to do things, because his way always worked. His actual leadership skills are hit and miss.

    You don't buck a coach after the ass whooping they took, because you don't feel as though you should have to practice in pads. Really? Do you think Belichick puts up with that shit? Do you think Mike Tomlin puts up with that shit? That defense went through one sucky assed season and look how the players handled it throughout the entire year. God Bless Ray Lewis, because there aren't too many leaders that could have kept that ship together. God Bless Joe Flacco too, because he's the one who had to put up with Cameron's shit while getting criticized by his own teammates no less. Who was the main guy who came out and did that? Surprise, surprise, Ed Reed.

    I keep telling you guys that John Harbaugh is Michael Corleone deep down. And you know what, now that they won the Super Bowl, Ozzie is REALLY going to roll with it. This is what Bisciotti wanted when he fired Billick, somebody to unify the locker room and restore order.
    If there were rewards for great post on this board you'd be in the running for me. This is why I LOVE this board because when I'm scratching my head about certain things there's the great fans of yhe Ravens and excellent posters who answer my head scratches. Awesome post Ex!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    Our run defense went from fairly stout to fairly sucks.
    Then why not start cutting at DT which is the biggest reason why that was happening?
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    Bottom line is he is poor in coverage. Without Ed Reed his poor coverage skills would be exposed, just as they were in the Super Bowl. Pollard was capable of making the big Sports Center hit. His style however is in major contrast to the leagues new emphasis on safety. I believe Pollard had 3 Personal Foul penalties in the playoffs. That is a problem. In addition why is he commenting on our team? I know he was asked a question, but he could have and should have responded " I'm with the Titans now, and I'm looking forward to the upcoming season". My impression is he's a ME guy, and that's not Harbaughs type of player.




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    John Harbaugh is a gangster at heart. If you haven't figured that out by now, you might want to ask somebody.

    Whose is the one key name missing from the entire 'mutiny' story? The leader of leaders for the Baltimore Ravens, Ray Lewis. Do you want to know why, because Ray Lewis handled issues with the coaching staff the right way. When he felt that Greg Mattison was not aggressive enough, he went to him personally, behind closed doors. When he felt that they should "let the rushers rush and the cover guys cover", as he put it, he went to the coaches, before bringing his information back to the players. Ray Lewis led with positive energy. If you notice, of all the veterans that we've heard of who didn't care for Harbaugh, the one guy whose name has never came up is Ray Lewis.

    Reed was never a leader. Reed was an introvert who wanted to do things his own way. Once he got older, due to his status, he just felt like he shouldn't be told how to do things, because his way always worked. His actual leadership skills are hit and miss.

    You don't buck a coach after the ass whooping they took, because you don't feel as though you should have to practice in pads. Really? Do you think Belichick puts up with that shit? Do you think Mike Tomlin puts up with that shit? That defense went through one sucky assed season and look how the players handled it throughout the entire year. God Bless Ray Lewis, because there aren't too many leaders that could have kept that ship together. God Bless Joe Flacco too, because he's the one who had to put up with Cameron's shit while getting criticized by his own teammates no less. Who was the main guy who came out and did that? Surprise, surprise, Ed Reed.

    I keep telling you guys that John Harbaugh is Michael Corleone deep down. And you know what, now that they won the Super Bowl, Ozzie is REALLY going to roll with it. This is what Bisciotti wanted when he fired Billick, somebody to unify the locker room and restore order.
    I'm sure you know this but this is just a theory based on your assumptions. Some things you have stated could be true but other than Biscotti stating why he choose Harbaugh over Rex nothing you have said is backed with legitimate knowledge of anything.

    Ray Lewis was not around during the so called mutiny. You tied in your whole Ray Lewis bit on something that isn't backed with a fact.

    Just like your whole thing in another post about how Joe was 'sick' of Reed because of a 'look' Joe had when Reed embraced him after his touchdown in AFCCG. Even though there is video and pictures with each other smiling after the win (http://25.media.tumblr.com/3e71ae68a...gyuo1_1280.png) or hell back in week 1 when Joe ran down the sideline to embrace Reed when he got his touchdown (http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma...plw1o1_400.jpg). Since you like to base things on superficial stuff. It's quiet easy to spin things like that the other way around isn't it?

    You aren't in that lockerroom. It's a tad ridiculous to make conclusions about what the actual dynamic is between everyone and how everything goes down. It'd be great if we had access that gave us the cold hard facts of the inner workings of the Ravens but we don't so just tying all these assumptions into one big story is pretty much pointless.
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    According to the Baltimore Sun, coach John Harbaugh wanted FS Ed Reed back with the Ravens "as much as he wants a root canal."
    In other words, Harbaugh didn't want Reed back at all. The Sun's Mike Preston found it "interesting" that the national media made it seem like the Texans and Ravens were in a "bidding war" for Reed when Baltimore was never serious about re-signing him. On Monday's ESPN Football Today podcast, Scouts Inc.'s Matt Williamson suggested Reed and Michael Huff are similar players at this stage of their careers. Reed got a three-year, $15 million deal from Houston. The Ravens stole Huff for $6 million over three seasons -- George Wilson money.
    From rotoworld.com. The bold part is interesting to note. Granted it's from Preston.




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    Quote Originally Posted by scbgirlxo View Post
    I'm sure you know this but this is just a theory based on assumptions on your end. Some things you have stated could be true but other than Biscotti stating why he choose Harbaugh over Rex nothing you have said is backed with legitimate knowledge of anything.

    Ray Lewis was not around during the so called mutiny. You tied in your whole Ray Lewis bit on something that isn't backed with a fact.

    Just like your whole thing in another post about how Joe was 'sick' of Reed because of a 'look' Joe had when Reed embraced him after his touchdown in AFCCG. Even though there is video and pictures with each other smiling after the win (http://25.media.tumblr.com/3e71ae68a...gyuo1_1280.png) or hell back in week 1 when Joe ran down the sideline to embrace Reed when he got his touchdown (http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma...plw1o1_400.jpg). Since you like to base things on superficial stuff. It's quiet easy to spin things like that the other way around isn't it?

    You aren't in that lockerroom. It's a tad ridiculous to make conclusions about what the actual dynamic is between everyone and how everything goes down. It'd be great if we had access that gave us the cold hard facts of the inner workings of the Ravens but we don't so just tying all these assumptions into one big story is pretty much pointless.
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    The Excellector is right. I will tell you why.

    1st thing is, you folks really do have an penchant for missing the obvious. If you want to believe that speculation is beyond reproach just because you don't have inside info to the locker room, then why bother posting anything on a message board related to 'opinion'? Stick to the Associated Press and have a nice day. Once upon a time, I did have a source inside the Raven's locker room, many years ago. My trainer was brothers with one of the players and I asked him about what goes on, how media is perceieved, and what do the fans think.

    Truth is, it is a lot closer to what you think than anyone gives credit for. I will say Mike Preston was generally disliked and considered a joke that would write stories simply to keep getting a check. No one actually cared about his writing or even read his stories.

    I am of the belief, me, fomer Mr.-Anti-Harbaugh that in fact, the jettisoning of older players with opinions that outweighed their salaries and skill sets was indeed the time to take this team and make it his. Ray Lewis is gone, there needs to be ONE voice now. That voice is John Harbaugh. He has the hardware to back it up now. So whatever malcontent ex-player feels the need to bash the Raven's it should be pointed out that they should be giving greater concern to where they are on their new team and less time having sour grapes towards the place they won a ring.




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    Quote Originally Posted by scbgirlxo View Post
    I'm sure you know this but this is just a theory based on your assumptions. Some things you have stated could be true but other than Biscotti stating why he choose Harbaugh over Rex nothing you have said is backed with legitimate knowledge of anything.

    Ray Lewis was not around during the so called mutiny. You tied in your whole Ray Lewis bit on something that isn't backed with a fact.

    Just like your whole thing in another post about how Joe was 'sick' of Reed because of a 'look' Joe had when Reed embraced him after his touchdown in AFCCG. Even though there is video and pictures with each other smiling after the win (http://25.media.tumblr.com/3e71ae68a...gyuo1_1280.png) or hell back in week 1 when Joe ran down the sideline to embrace Reed when he got his touchdown (http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma...plw1o1_400.jpg). Since you like to base things on superficial stuff. It's quiet easy to spin things like that the other way around isn't it?

    You aren't in that lockerroom. It's a tad ridiculous to make conclusions about what the actual dynamic is between everyone and how everything goes down. It'd be great if we had access that gave us the cold hard facts of the inner workings of the Ravens but we don't so just tying all these assumptions into one big story is pretty much pointless.
    Gonna defend the Sword here a little bit. This is a fan message board, I agree we are not privy to the inner workings of the Raven locker room but all anyone on here really does is speculate. We speculate about draft picks, who Ozzie may sign and so forth. By the nature of the fact that to my knowledge none of us work for the Ravens and have access on a regular basis to the locker room we can only speculate based on leaks, rumors and what happens further down the road.

    I think a lot of what was said in that post makes some sense. In 5 or 10 years we may know the full story and how it all went down, then again we may never know. Bottom line for me though is that John Harbaugh managed the situation and this team ended up winning the SB. Not sure how much more anyone can expect than that. Personally I do agree with the Sword about Harbaugh. John is a gangster. Just about everything he says and does is all about creating a sense of family, accountability and yes chain of command. Very gangster like IMO.

    I had my questions about Harbaugh, thought he was a good coach but wondered if he really had the chops to be a great one. Those questions were answered for me in the way he handled the "mutiny" and managed to utilize the methods at his disposal to right the ship. He did not tell the players to F off and alienate them but he did not cowtow to them either. In this respect he reminds me of guys like Cower, Coughlin, Parcells, Jimmy Johnson etc.... all those guys had different styles but they to are all gangsters at heart. All those guys would have handled the situation in a similar fashion, they would have listened but also made it clear who was running the family so to speak. That's what John did and frankly why I am happy to have him as our head coach.

    If the Ravens let Pollard go cause they improved their run D and his skill set does not match their needs then great. If was because John did not want him around due to his part in the mutiny ...who cares? He earned that right IMO. Pollards not good enough to challenge Johns feelings on him if he does indeed have them. Far as Reed is concerned its just as likely that Ravens decided that having a FS who can only shoulder tackle or escort guys out of bounds was not a great idea moving forward. They saw an opportunity to get a guy at a good price who buys them time to find and develop another FS. If was a case of John saying "I know it was you Fredo" to Reed for his part in the mutiny then so be it. Again John earned that right. Again Reed at this point in his career is not good enough to challenge his feelings on it IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Silver View Post
    The Excellector is right. I will tell you why.

    1st thing is, you folks really do have an penchant for missing the obvious. If you want to believe that speculation is beyond reproach just because you don't have inside info to the locker room, then why bother posting anything on a message board related to 'opinion'? Stick to the Associated Press and have a nice day. Once upon a time, I did have a source inside the Raven's locker room, many years ago. My trainer was brothers with one of the players and I asked him about what goes on, how media is perceieved, and what do the fans think.

    Truth is, it is a lot closer to what you think than anyone gives credit for. I will say Mike Preston was generally disliked and considered a joke that would write stories simply to keep getting a check. No one actually cared about his writing or even read his stories.

    I am of the belief, me, fomer Mr.-Anti-Harbaugh that in fact, the jettisoning of older players with opinions that outweighed their salaries and skill sets was indeed the time to take this team and make it his. Ray Lewis is gone, there needs to be ONE voice now. That voice is John Harbaugh. He has the hardware to back it up now. So whatever malcontent ex-player feels the need to bash the Raven's it should be pointed out that they should be giving greater concern to where they are on their new team and less time having sour grapes towards the place they won a ring.
    The Excellector makes a lot of assumptions based on what though? His statement in another post about Joe being sick of Reed had nothing to do with the media. It had to deal with him watching a behind the bench clip and drawing his own conclusion. His statement about Ray Lewis started with the premise that his name wasn't in the mutiny article- well guess what Ray Lewis wasn't there at the time.

    And if we can go by things based on the media there's an entire ESPN article that addresses the mutiny story and debunks that Ed Reed isn't a leader like he said. So explain how the contexts of his posts like that are truly accurate?

    And please you can talk about the Ravens without making statements like you know the inner relationships of the Ravens.




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