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    Anybody who ever claims the Linc is even close to as good as M&T has never been to both. The Linc is NOTHING like M&T. It has poor sight lines. Horrible crowd movement. A club level that is only really half club. The other half is just high priced seats. And the traffic around it is a mess.




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    Re: Atlanta building billion dollar restractable roof stadium.

    M&T has bad sight lines?

    Where?

    My friend who works for the Ravens and has been quite reliable when he's nice enough to share his inside information (which I always share here) tells me that the Ravens keep updated 5 and 10 year plans which deal specifically with stadium upgrades. Nothing in the current plans even so much as hint at a new stadium. It's all about updating key features with the current building to enhance the fan experience on game day. (current upgrades are in progress)

    Someone mentioned Reliant. I don't get it.. A roof closed every time the temp goes above 72? Silly.. and they have sight lines there that suck too. First time I went there I got upper end zone and my seats were ABOVE the roof rafter line. Every time I looked straight ahead, I saw rafters.




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    Re: Atlanta building billion dollar restractable roof stadium.

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyD79 View Post
    Anybody who ever claims the Linc is even close to as good as M&T has never been to both. The Linc is NOTHING like M&T. It has poor sight lines. Horrible crowd movement. A club level that is only really half club. The other half is just high priced seats. And the traffic around it is a mess.
    Same with Foxboro. It's only 3-4 years newer than M&T and I don't think it's any better than our stadium. Just nothing special about Gillette and it's in a HORRIBLE location for traffic.

    I've been to 14 current NFL stadiums. Seattle is far my favorite. Love the unique design. Club level is outstanding and the clam-shell roof makes for some insane crowd noise getting locked in.




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    I was the one to mention a new stadium, so I'll clarify. I have no doubt that M&T is expected to serve for at least the next 15 years, and probably 20. But 20 years is not forever and I wouldn't be the least bit shocked if by the time I'm approaching 50, I'll be gunning to grab a PSL in a state of the art, larger, probably retractably domed stadium.
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    Re: Atlanta building billion dollar restractable roof stadium.

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    I was the one to mention a new stadium, so I'll clarify. I have no doubt that M&T is expected to serve for at least the next 15 years, and probably 20. But 20 years is not forever and I wouldn't be the least bit shocked if by the time I'm approaching 50, I'll be gunning to grab a PSL in a state of the art, larger, probably retractably domed stadium.
    I could be wrong but I thought the way they built M&T Bank was with the idea that it could be significantly renovated if and when they chose to including a retractable roof plan.

    My guess is that the stadium could get a face lift and they might discuss a retractable dome option at some point (since your doing the work anyway) down the road but with the economic situation what it is, I doubt that its anytime in the few years. I have to hand to the stadium authority. Both of our Stadiums have stood the test of time so far.
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    Re: Atlanta building billion dollar restractable roof stadium.

    Stadiums now a days are supposed to last about 25 years and then the owner will threaten to move just like Jimmy boy in Indy and like his devil before him in Bmore.

    Art could have had a dome or a retractable roof but wanted an outdoor stadium. Football is meant to be played out side and in cold weather. Look at guys like Manning and Matt Ryan that folded in this year's playoffs once they got out of their element and Manning has always lost in the cold after playing in a dome for a decade. He just lost to us in sub-freezing weather and threw a pick to Corey Graham that led to the icing of the game in OT.

    I thought a dome would have been cool at the time because it would have been next to the convention center and brought in even more conventions and we could have attracted NBA and NHL teams plus the NCAAs and Final Four but ARt wisely wanted a cold weather stadium.

    Not sure what Bisciotti wants but something tells me he's old school too and wants an out-door stadium. It will be interesting to see when he demands a new one.

    Oriole Park is getting old but still looks great and is still the best place in the world to watch baseball if you can afford it and Cleveland has the same copy cat duplex. In fact, the movie Major League with Charlie Sheen was about the Indians but was filmed in Oriole Park and on Federal Hill in Bmore. Cleve's copy cat stadiums hadn't been built yet.
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    Art was never offered a dome. I suppose he could have had one if he wanted to pay the difference, but he couldn't even afford a practice squad at that time. Escalators were even cut out as a cost cutting move. There were plans to put a giant Raven statue on top the stadium that would turn and face the field on game days, but the state wanted Art to pay for it, and he couldn't. Even the "victory notches" in the corner of the stadium were cost cutting moves. One advantage is that they bring the upper deck endzone seats closer to the field, but a major disadvantage is that they cost the stadium a couple thousand seats.

    Major League 2 was filmed at Camden Yards. The original movie was filmed in Cleveland. They filmed the sequel here mainly because Maryland was offering huge tax advantages to film here. The state has since eased up on those incentives and very few movies or tv shows are filmed here anymore. Pittsburgh and Toronto have started to offer those incentives and have had many movies shot there recently.

    IMHO, Oriole Park is now a classic stadium. A modern Fenway. It has great seating capacity, and the warehouse that was nearly torn down is a signature part of baseball now. I hope it's never replaced.




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    Talk about old stadiums, here's a funny story. I went to a Harvard game in Boston when my brother was going to seminary up there. We visited his friend who attended Harvard. That has to be the oldest stadium in the country built in the early 1900s I think and is still in use, same as Fenway Park which is another cool stadium to watch a game.

    It was so old the men's room didn't have urinals on the wall. It had a long bowl shaped troll that everyone peed in at once. So you would be peeing and facing another guy's dick about 2 feet from your dick-lol. At half time there'd be 50 dicks peeing in that bowl at the same time. There were dicks everywhere,man. Dicks in front of you and dicks behind you and dicks next to you - all shaking up and down. Man, I had trouble peeing in that bath room and got the hell out without emptying all the juice.

    It was cool watching Harvard beat Yale. In 1905, 17 football players died from the game, 5 were in Harvard's stadium. Harvard led a crusade to outlaw the game which was a national disgrace and there was a lot of sentiment in congress to pass legislation so the old rough rider himself Teddy Roosevelt saved it. He was a big football fan even though he never played the game so he called all the schools into the White HOuse and said this is what you're going to do.

    You're going to run plays that go around people instead of just running both teams at each and spread things out. There's gonna be penalties and there had to be distance between the defensive line and offensive line so the line of scrimmage was created. Back then they just got into each other faces and went at each other and there were little or no penalties and the forward pass was created and the NFL was born albeit 20 years later. Helmets were also created to reduce head injuries where most of the deaths came from and pads came along.
    They also out-lawed the flying wedge on kick offs that actually killed people-lol. It was just a wall or wedge of blockers with guys holding hands running down the field yelling and screaming and knocking everyone out cold - some permamently. That's where the term suicide squads came from but was later changed to special teams for the faint hearted. Hell, just last year they made rule changes vs blockers on kick offs.

    That p*ssy Goodell would have had a heart attack watching those football games.

    BTW, there's a cool football movie starring George Clooney called Leatherheads about the early NFL when they had no rules. Must see for football fans.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379865/
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    Re: Atlanta building billion dollar restractable roof stadium.

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Talk about old stadiums, here's a funny story. I went to a Harvard game in Boston when my brother was going to seminary up there. We visited his friend who attended Harvard. That has to be the oldest stadium in the country built in the early 1900s I think and is still in use, same as Fenway Park which is another cool stadium to watch a game.

    It was so old the men's room didn't have urinals on the wall. It had a long bowl shaped troll that everyone peed in at once. So you would be peeing and facing another guy's dick about 2 feet from your dick-lol. Man, I had trouble peeing in that bath room and got the hell out without emptying all the juice.

    It was cool watching Harvard beat Yale. In 1905 17 football players died from the game, 5 were in Havard's stadium. Harvard led a crusade to outlaw the game which was a national disgrace and there was a lot of sentiment in congress to pass legislation so the old rough rider himself Teddy Roosevelt saved it. He was a big football fan even though he never played the game so he called all the schools into the White HOuse and said this is what you're going to do.

    You're going to run plays that go around people instead of just running both teams at each and spread things out. There's gonna be penalties and there had to be distance between the defensive line and offensive. Back then they just got into each other faces and went at each other and there were little or no penalties and the forward pass was created and the NFL was born albeit 20 years later. They also out-lawed the flying wedge on kick offs that actually killed people-lol. It was just a wall of blocks with guys holding hands running down the field and knocking people out cold. That's where the term suicide squads came from but was later changed to special teams for the faint hearted. Hell, just last year they made rule changes vs blockers on kick offs.

    That p*ssy Goodell would have had a heart attack watching those football games.
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    Thanks, man. The last time I had trouble peeing was when I was drafted during VietNam, so my friend next to me poured some of his pee into my cup and I actually gave the Army someone else's pee-lol.

    Thirty years later I learned that a lot of guys couldn't pee.
    The guys that were scared the most were the guys that couldn't pee, not the guys that peed in their pants.
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    Shifting from Trap's prostrate issues to the main point of this thread: I predict that Bisciotti will be pushing for a major upgrade to our stadium within 5 to 10 years. This recently announced $35 million "upgrade" is merely cosmetic. NFL owners play a lot of "keeping up withe Joneses". Pheonix, Houston, Dallas, Indianapolis already have retractable roof modern stadiums. Our closest neighbor, the Danny Snyder team, has dropped hints/leaks about building a domed stadium inside the District, with a eye on attracting the Super Bowl. Many times the Ravens cite what other teams are doing, such as ticket pricing (i.e. gouging). Miami, Atlanta, and St Louis plan major improvements; Charlotte and Buffalo plan multi-million improvements; San Diego, Oakland, Jax will face the music on billion dollar stadium investments; and KC, Chicago II, New Orleans are likely to be not far behind.

    Our stadium, which is already in the lower tier of NFL stadiums due to the lack of escalators and roof and inadequate restrooms and parking, will likely fall towards the bottom while the oldest NFL stadiums age further and are replaced or undergo major upgrades to avoid the greener pastures of LA or London.

    I don't think it's a matter of "if" our stadium is upgraded or replaced, but rather it's "when".
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    Well T - that's why I related the urinal problem at Harvard. Our stadium's bathrooms are great compared to theirs. I never had trouble going into ours and I sat in the upper deck. So the elevators didn't go all the way up. So what? You merely walked up the rest of the way. No one ever died from the walking not even after climbing up all those rows and I'll defer to that SI ranking putting ours in the top 4 just 5 years ago. Some guys will whine even if they build a brand new stadium tomorrow.

    I remember the first game in Ravens Stadium vs the Giants during the pre-season. There was a lot of festivities and pre-game ceremonies. John Buren of TV-13 was the MC. He was booed for so loud and so long they had to escort him off the field amongst a thunderous applause.

    I was with a chick who had never been to a game. She said why did those guys in the zebra shirts drop all their hankies on the field. I said no honey, theyre Refs they're not hankies they're penalty flags. That means somebody did something wrong.
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