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    Re: Over the Top Stadium designs



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    It reminds me of the Brown Center at MICA, only on a much larger scale. Attachment 1644
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    Re: Over the Top Stadium designs

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    If that stadium were in Dallas, it would be known as "The Glory Hole".




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    I have to say, I like the 49ers stadium more than either of the Falcons ones.

    Just something about a simple, classic looking stadium...focus on the football, not the aesthetics.
    I'd have to agree.

    Put a quality team on the field and the fans will come.




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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    As someone mentioned before, it's about making the most money possible.

    Whether fans in Bmore want to admit it or not, either retrofitting or a new stadium will be needed if we hope to compete. Yes, it is indeed about keeping up with The Jones'. This is an huge part of the Ravens being the franchise that is so admired.
    Compete on what level? Competitiveness of the team on the field? Ability to acquire free agents? Overall value of the franchise?

    I am not exactly seeing where Baltimore is falling short in any of those areas.

    The only area I see them being behind the new mega-stadiums is in attracting the non-football events (Final Fours, concerts, etc.). And that depends on the city as an attractive destination as much as it does on the venue.

    Stadiums, like all buildings, have a shelf-life. But I think M&T Bank is good for a couple more decades, at least.




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    The same reasons businesses must reinvest in infrastructure so too do NFL teams need to do the same.

    If your competition is modernizing and you're not, it's only a matter of time before its a profit drain. There are exceptions. Iconic stadia such as Green Bay, Fenway, Wrigley, etc can get away with it because the stadium itself is a draw.

    The Vault, while adequate now, is not a unique / iconic place that in of itself draws people. In 5-10 years, it's going to be a bottom tier stadium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    The same reasons businesses must reinvest in infrastructure so too do NFL teams need to do the same.

    If your competition is modernizing and you're not, it's only a matter of time before its a profit drain. There are exceptions. Iconic stadia such as Green Bay, Fenway, Wrigley, etc can get away with it because the stadium itself is a draw.

    The Vault, while adequate now, is not a unique / iconic place that in of itself draws people. In 5-10 years, it's going to be a bottom tier stadium.
    If you have a competitive team, you will draw people. See Pittsburgh, for example. Or New England (which has a very "cookie cutter stadium" out in the middle of nowhere). I agree that your stadium has to be a revenue enhancer, not a drain, but that is certainly not the case with M&T Bank

    I agree that new stadiums are in a way being built to be the draw themselves, but why do the Ravens need to worry about that if they are already drawing people? And besides, if Jerry-world is the first, and maybe Atlanta will be the second...at what point do you reach diminishing returns on drawing people to an "iconic" stadium that is not so "iconic" if it is #10 behind 9 other new "iconic" stadiums.

    5 years? I would think you would have to start looking at a replacement stadium in about 20 years. I am sure the Ravens have thought about this and would not be pouring money into M&T Bank if they thought it was going away in 5 years.
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    Re: Over the Top Stadium designs

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    Focus on the football, not the aesthetics.
    Um...no.

    For maybe 100 hours a year, the stadium will be used for its intended purpose (football or some other major event).

    The other 8,660 hours each year, its primary function is to be part of the cityscape.

    If they use a billion dollars (of taxpayer money, most likely, including mine as a B'More resident) to build a new stadium, I damn well expect it to be iconic--something that screams

    BALTIMORE!
    BEST F'IN' CITY IN THE MEGAVERSE
    & Home Of The
    BEST F'IN' NFL FRANCHISE IN HISTORY,
    bitchez!

    to everyone who sees it from any angle. (Whether or not it's strictly true.)

    Fortunately I have a nephew who by the time they get around to putting out the RFP will be the best f'in' architect in the megaverse (if he isn't already). I'll ask him to get on it as soon as he passes his boards...




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    I've been to several stadiums and I think Baltimore still has one of the best. Agree that the elements give them an advantage so no roof.

    Atlanta stadium like Jerryworld, hosts many events not related to NFL so I understand a roof there
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    Re: Over the Top Stadium designs

    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    Um...no.

    For maybe 100 hours a year, the stadium will be used for its intended purpose (football or some other major event).

    The other 8,660 hours each year, its primary function is to be part of the cityscape.

    If they use a billion dollars (of taxpayer money, most likely, including mine as a B'More resident) to build a new stadium, I damn well expect it to be iconic--something that screams

    BALTIMORE!
    BEST F'IN' CITY IN THE MEGAVERSE
    & Home Of The
    BEST F'IN' NFL FRANCHISE IN HISTORY,
    bitchez!

    to everyone who sees it from any angle. (Whether or not it's strictly true.)

    Fortunately I have a nephew who by the time they get around to putting out the RFP will be the best f'in' architect in the megaverse (if he isn't already). I'll ask him to get on it as soon as he passes his boards...
    Fine, but Baltimore is not an extravagant town. Honestly, if something like either of those were put in here...it'd just look weird. It wouldn't fit with our skyline or city look.

    I'm not saying we should just use a cookie cutter stadium, but I think we stay above par in the "stadium" arena (pun not intended) by focusing on the "guts" in our modifications/upgrades. Make what's INSIDE the stadium amazing. Better concessions, better club boxes, better seats, etc. The only big upgrade I can think of that would require major re-work of the stadium is putting in escalators.

    In the next 20-30 years, we could be looking at a rebuild (though, I have no idea how they'd do it, considering that the casino is going in right next to the stadium), but I disagree that in 5 years, we'll be a bottom tier stadium. Bisciotti is making the adjustments inside to keep the fan experience top notch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    If you have a competitive team, you will draw people. See Pittsburgh, for example. Or New England (which has a very "cookie cutter stadium" out in the middle of nowhere). I agree that your stadium has to be a revenue enhancer, not a drain, but that is certainly not the case with M&T Bank
    Those stadia make my point. Yes, right now they draw. But in 5-10 years when a slew of other teams have modernized (and a bunch are coming) they too will feel the pressure.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    I agree that new stadiums are in a way being built to be the draw themselves, but why do the Ravens need to worry about that if they are already drawing people? And besides, if Jerry-world is the first, and maybe Atlanta will be the second...at what point do you reach diminishing returns on drawing people to an "iconic" stadium that is not so "iconic" if it is #10 behind 9 other new "iconic" stadiums.
    The competition is forcing the issue not the draw per se.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    5 years? I would think you would have to start looking at a replacement stadium in about 20 years. I am sure the Ravens have thought about this and would not be pouring money into M&T Bank if they thought it was going away in 5 years.
    IIRC, Bisciotti has already made mention of a new / retrofitted stadium. I'm willing to bet his time table is in that same 5-10 year window I mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    If you have a competitive team, you will draw people. See Pittsburgh, for example. Or New England (which has a very "cookie cutter stadium" out in the middle of nowhere). I agree that your stadium has to be a revenue enhancer, not a drain, but that is certainly not the case with M&T Bank

    I agree that new stadiums are in a way being built to be the draw themselves, but why do the Ravens need to worry about that if they are already drawing people? And besides, if Jerry-world is the first, and maybe Atlanta will be the second...at what point do you reach diminishing returns on drawing people to an "iconic" stadium that is not so "iconic" if it is #10 behind 9 other new "iconic" stadiums.

    5 years? I would think you would have to start looking at a replacement stadium in about 20 years. I am sure the Ravens have thought about this and would not be pouring money into M&T Bank if they thought it was going away in 5 years.
    It's not about just drawing in people, it's about squeezing in as many premium (club and suites) as possible...those are the money making seats, not the bowl and upper deck for the great unwashed.

    It's also about being able to host as many other money making events as possible as I am pretty sure the team makes a percentage of revenue every time the stadium is used.

    The facts of the matter is that the average lifespan of these stadiums is about 25-30 years...and we are 15 years into M&T. It will either go through major renovations or the prospect of replacement will be brought up in the next decade or so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Those stadia make my point. Yes, right now they draw. But in 5-10 years when a slew of other teams have modernized (and a bunch are coming) they too will feel the pressure.
    So are you saying that fans in Pittsburgh, New England and Baltimore, that are currently filling those stadiums will be drawn to the other stadiums (more than the one-time-only visit)?




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