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    Voting Rights Act



    Thoughts on the change?




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    Re: Voting Rights Act

    SCOTUS basically ruled, in layman's terms, Congress needs to take a look at section 4 and modernize the process.

    The question that was before the court was ...

    Does the renewal of Section 5 of the Voter Rights Act under the constraints of Section 4(b) exceed Congress’ authority under the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments, and therefore violate the Tenth Amendment and Article Four of the Constitution?
    So they ruled yes, Congress has the authority, but it needs to be updated to reflect attitudes of today, not the 70's.

    What's surprising is that Section 2 was untouched, leaving in place (and rightfully so) the ban on race discrimination yet some on the ultra left are saying this ruling is a return to Jim Crow.

    It's a very readable opinion so either these folks did not read the opinion or they're purposefully interjecting race into the ruling where it doesn't exist.
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    I haven't read the materials yet, I've only read a few different articles (by reporters who I assume read them, but I probably shouldn't assume that).

    I see both sides. It's a little terrifying or at least disconcerting to hear about the Supreme Court altering the VRA. It's kind of something we think about as a cornerstone of modern America, or at least the America we all want (one where isms don't cause disenfranchisement).

    I understand people who don't want certain states to be singled out. On the surface, that seems unfair.

    But I also understand people who realize that, in reality, certain states more than others do have a more checkered past, and for that reason may deserve the added suspicion.




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    Quote Originally Posted by akashicrecorder View Post
    Thoughts on the change?
    I probably don't know enough to comment.

    But the law was enacted when millions of African Americans were disenfranchised by mostly white-run legislatures...which were mostly Democrat controlled...but that is topic for a another thread .

    Since that time, those legislators have become much more representative of their states' racial demographics...and legislative gerrymandering has guaranteed that certain seats will always go to certain segments of the population. That too can be a problem, but it is a different problem.

    So I think times and the problems that were occurring have changed...not saying there are still not issues with voting...but they are different issues, and more nation-wide than just centered in the South...so the law probably needed to change, for all concerned.




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    The Section of the Act that was overturned was always known to be unconstitutional except in the case of very specific and serious circumstances. Those specific and serious circumstances have absolutely and undeniably changed/disappeared (by all metrics used or imagined).

    Congress was also warned by SCOTUS that this was the case (the Section was on crumbling ground) and was given ample time to amend the criteria into something that might allow the Section to remain constitutional. Congress ignored the warning and thus the Section was overturned.

    If not for partisan politics this decision would have been unanimous and uncontroversial.




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    My biggest concern with the SCOTUS ruling is that states are now doing away with early voting. Has early voting ever been linked to voter fraud? I thought early voting was something that everyone agreed was a good thing. Because election days are not holidays most people will opt to not vote in order to save a day's worth of pay. North Carolina is doing it among other things. These changes, IMO, do nothing but make it harder for the working class (poor people) to vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dade View Post
    My biggest concern with the SCOTUS ruling is that states are now doing away with early voting. Has early voting ever been linked to voter fraud? I thought early voting was something that everyone agreed was a good thing. Because election days are not holidays most people will opt to not vote in order to save a day's worth of pay. North Carolina is doing it among other things. These changes, IMO, do nothing but make it harder for the working class (poor people) to vote.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...0,211700.story
    By that logic, doesn't it make it easier for the un-employed and under-employed (much poorer people) to vote?




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    To my knowledge, the only state considering dropping early voting is NC and it's because of cost. Also, I may be wrong, but I don't think NC was one of the states that needed pre-clearance from DoJ anyway so the SCOTUS ruling didn't effect them.

    We have early voting hear and have no issues with it or plans to do away with it, yet we were a pre-clearance state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    By that logic, doesn't it make it easier for the un-employed and under-employed (much poorer people) to vote?
    Point taken. You trapped me in my own logic. However, early voting and straight ticket voting are becoming increasing popular and benefits both parties. North Carolina had more than 2.5 million voters, or about 56 percent of those who voted statewide, used one-stop sites in the 2012 general election. Don't get me started on no voting on Sundays... Rep. Edgar Starnes actually said we shouldn't vote on Sunday because its Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    To my knowledge, the only state considering dropping early voting is NC and it's because of cost. Also, I may be wrong, but I don't think NC was one of the states that needed pre-clearance from DoJ anyway so the SCOTUS ruling didn't effect them.

    We have early voting hear and have no issues with it or plans to do away with it, yet we were a pre-clearance state.
    I think your right HR. The SCOTUS didn't directly affect them. But I think this is part of the issue. Do we really want 8 hour long lines like in Florida?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dade View Post
    I think your right HR. The SCOTUS didn't directly affect them. But I think this is part of the issue. Do we really want 8 hour long lines like in Florida?
    Florida has early voting
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    8 hour long lines are a result of incompetent election planners/officials/workers. That and an inordinate amount of same-day registration (which should be curtailed as much as possible, imo).




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